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  • Death by bone meal?

    Apparently you can contract CJD or a "Mad cow disease" type illness from bone meal. It can also transfer from plant to human! But scientists say there's little risk in this actually happening.

    I don't claim this information is 100% accurate, this is just what I've found from reading a few sites. I found out from a youtube comment🤦🏾‍♂️

    Regardless DO NOT INHALE THE DUST! i know ive inhaled some while applying, hopefully nothing comes of it tho.
    NC Sandhills zone 8A. Wishlist- BNR, CDDG, and split resistant figs.

  • #2
    I have many other reasons not to use it.
    it takes a long time to breakdown, like six months. Attracts animals, most soils are teeming with calcium. I never had used a supplement with my figs. Increases pH too much when using lime. Plenty in the organic fertilizer if not the soil I use.

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    • #3
      There's so much unknown about prions. Cooking infected tissue may not even destroy the proteins effect.

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      • It Could use another day
        It Could use another day commented
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        Oh cooking doesn't destroy it, if they use instruments on a patient with CJD they have to destroy them afterwards.

    • #4
      TheMillennialGardener Is a huge fan of this stuff. Dale the dog has a huge dilemma on his hands now
      Travis - Cincinnati OH. Zone 6
      wishlist- ondata, Verdolino, rosselino, https://youtube.com/channel/UCYp6pIa2-WlnommArTGKlpQ

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      • It Could use another day
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        I was a big fan of it too because it DOES work, however after finding this out I won't be buying another bag.

      • Figgerlickinggood
        Figgerlickinggood commented
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        I only use crushed oyster shell dust, the kind Lou Monti uses on his trees.

    • #5
      Couldn’t you be at the same risk by eating beef?
      Don - OH Zone 6a Wish list: Verdolino, Black Celeste

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      • don_sanders
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        1 in 2 billion chance sounds like pretty good odds to me…

        I bet bone meal is banned from import from known infected countries.

      • It Could use another day
        It Could use another day commented
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        I only made this to get more information and spread said information. If it's safe I'll use it because I like using it but if it's not can't risk that lmao.

      • don_sanders
        don_sanders commented
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        Don’t get me wrong. I appreciate you sharing and posting the info. Knowledge is a good thing.

    • #6
      Actually it's a no
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      • TNJed
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        Meat, ok…but band saws are used to cut through bone when cutting T-bones, bone-in ribeye, KC strips, etc. The bone and inside (marrow, etc) are smeared into the meat. It’s easy to see it. Doesn’t slow me down but it’s definitely present on many cuts of beef.

      • Halligan-
        Halligan- commented
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        TNJed Try’n to cause trouble🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • #7
      It seems there is some conflicting information. Big surprise.

      Or maybe not necessarily conflicting…meat itself can’t spread but contaminated meat can…or maybe they are eating brain/spine?

      https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinar...ad-cow-disease

      As of 2019, 232 people worldwide are known to have become sick with vCJD, and unfortunately, they all have died. It is thought that they got the disease from eating food made from cows sick with BSE. Most of the people who have become sick with vCJD lived in the United Kingdom at some point in their lives. Only four lived in the U.S., and most likely, these four people became infected when they were living or traveling overseas.
      Don - OH Zone 6a Wish list: Verdolino, Black Celeste

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      • #8
        Yes there's conflicting evidence, but this has a 100% mortality rate. Idk if I want to risk that.

        everyone who uses bone meal shaking in they're boots lol.
        NC Sandhills zone 8A. Wishlist- BNR, CDDG, and split resistant figs.

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        • #9
          I got a big bag of bone meal, it smell like fish, It is fish bone meal I am wondering that can we use Oyster shell power instead of bone meal?
          Surrey BC canada

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          • #10
            Simple solution. Use porcine (pig) based bone meal. You can’t get Mad Cow disease from a pig.
            So. California, Zone 10a

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            • shawnjames70
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              What about mad pig fever? 😁

          • #11
            Hmm... I’ll have to look more into this. I’ve done research into prion diseases a little bit already because I raw feed & cook for my dogs, and bone or bone meal is often used in dog food. It was a concern when I was getting them elk or venison, because they also have a prion disease. To my understanding, research has only indicated concerns for brain, eyes, spinal cord, other parts of the nervous system, some glands, and parts of intestine. Bone I thought was not affected. Though to be honest, I wouldn’t really want any part of an animal that was diseased.

            For bone meal, I would suspect that it largely depends on where they sourced their cows from. The UK has issues with the disease, whereas other places do not. People still consume bone marrow as a delicacy. And research can be so questionable because of bias, funding sources and agendas. It’s unfortunate more is not known and our world is so fear based at the moment. But still, it probably is a caution to keep in mind, especially for your sources of material.

            I know with dog food they often get the lowest possible quality of ingredients, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the same is true with many gardening items. Since things are needed in bulk, they probably go with the cheapest and most readily available sources, which already raises concern in my mind for certain things, such as manure. Seems hard to find quality stuff at times anymore, but at least there are other options to consider if anyone is concerned!
            Last edited by RosyPosy; 07-31-2021, 07:37 PM. Reason: Came across in a way I didn’t mean, so changed some wording & added info.
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            • don_sanders
              don_sanders commented
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              First time reading through, I missed the “for”!! “ because I raw feed & cook for my dogs”

            • RosyPosy
              RosyPosy commented
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              don_sanders LOL 🤣 NOOOO! 😂 Though I have been to places where they do, eek! 😣

          • #12
            I've been trying to find out where jobes bone meal is sourced, if it's in the States I'll probably continue using it since there's few cases of it here.
            NC Sandhills zone 8A. Wishlist- BNR, CDDG, and split resistant figs.

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            • #13
              This is silly. This is some story about 4 people from 25 years ago that seems to not even be completely verified.

              How many people die every year from actually using fertilizers? Or from gardening accidents in general?

              Let's not forget people die from falling coconuts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_coconut

              It isn't a reason to avoid tropical vacations.
              Zone 8A Southeast NC Coast
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              • It Could use another day
                It Could use another day commented
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                i said the same thing but if you actually read about it, it will tell you if you put infected bone meal onto a plant it can be transmitted to you.

              • don_sanders
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                That’s not funny man. My uncle died from a falling coconut. If only he has stayed home like Grandma told him. 😢 Coconut milk is still banned from the house. 😭

              • TheMillennialGardener
                TheMillennialGardener commented
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                It Could use another day I understand. I read the article from University of New Mexico. But I just want you to put things in perspective. Google "fertilizer causing cancer." There are countless thousands of people - maybe millions worldwide - who have developed all kinds of diseases from working with fertilizers. Inhaling it, absorbing it through your skin - fertilizer can be VERY dangerous. I'm simply stating if you're concerned about 4 people in England that may or may not have contracted a disease 25 years ago, but not the thousands or millions that have directly been killed by the toxic effects of fertilizers...I mean, think about it.

                Everything in life is dangerous. If I sat down and thought about all the people dying in car accidents on the roads, I'd never leave my house. The planet has rotated through what, 12 billion lives over the past 25 years since the claim was made? I mean, 4 out of 12 billion ain't bad. I'll take that risk. My Jobe's Bone Meal says MADE IN THE USA on the bottom right corner with a big old American Flag stamped, by the way.

            • #14
              Let's not all get hysterical about this. Read this: https://aces.nmsu.edu/ces/yard/1997/040797.html
              Worcester, Massachusetts, Zone 6a - In containers 1 gal - 15 gal. Wish list: Dore' de Porquerolles

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              • #15
                If bone meal, used on vegetation, could then transfer to humans, we’d all have MCD. Bone meal is a common supplement/amendment to soil for commercial use.

                Solution: Don’t inhale or eat any fertilizer or supplement. This is a good rule of thumb for 99.9% of things on earth…..cocaine is in the .1%.

                I love bone meal for my figs and other trees. I highly recommend using it, especially for potted trees.

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                • #16
                  It can be transmitted through plants😂 this is ridiculous
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                  • Vladimir
                    Vladimir commented
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                    I cannot find any studies that show prion transmission from plant to human. Does such a study exist?

                • #17
                  All I know is using bone meal from now on will be a little weird like don't fkn kill me😂
                  NC Sandhills zone 8A. Wishlist- BNR, CDDG, and split resistant figs.

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