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    Tired of abbreviations that I can’t figure out what they stand for , that and the person doing the posting doesn’t show the zone he’s in or the state , at that point noting makes sense so I move on to the next post. I would suggest that the person entering the post would spell out the name of the fig at least one time at beginning of post and let us know your general location and zone. Showing off your first fig August 15th would have different meaning if your in California or Alaska

    THANK YOU
    Wallingford,Ct. zone 6b

  • #2
    You have a great point 😀

    Mario Tx
    Mario
    Texas 9A

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    • #3
      i like DDDM. if you ever played AD&D, you might know it. no, it's not fig. oh, on the other forum i'm on, capitalization is also requirement along with correct grammar. so, spelling out a fig name is a good idea. and zone and location in signature would help.
      Pete
      USDA Zone 7b
      Piedmont NC

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      • #4
        we have a lot new readers that in no way could possibly know those abbreviations and old timers like me that may not remember
        I feel more people would read the posts if they new what they were reading about
        Wallingford,Ct. zone 6b

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        • #5
          I'm very sympathetic but I also know I'm guilty as hell. Earlier today I wrote RdB thinking, "I don't really have to write out Ronde de Bordeaux, do I?" And BM kk -- "Everybody knows Black Madeira, right?" And then I wrote LdA and then HdA, and I thought "Well, maybe that's a bridge too far."

          So I'm gonna toss out an idea -- Can the moderators manage the creation of a list of approved abbreviations of variety names and then post it in the frequently referenced topics? Maybe we can then all follow the rule that approved abbreviations are OK, non-approved not. And any confused forum member, including newbies, can just reference the list.

          OTOH and FWIW, I'm not suggesting anything about any other abbreviations -- LOL!
          Joe, Z6B, RI.

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          • claret
            claret commented
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            At first glance this looks like a time-saving and error-proofing measure. But not even figvarieties.com has all the combinations. And in some cases one abbreviation stands for more than one fig. CdD Gegantina? or is it Gris? -- just one example. Nope, the responsibility is squarely on the writer's shoulders, Joe.
            Last edited by claret; 08-17-2021, 02:03 PM.

          • jrdewhirst
            jrdewhirst commented
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            claret -- I just think the implication is a refinement of my first attempt.

            I notice that you didn't write out CdD. Shirking your responsibility!

        • #6
          maybe the forum can be configured to pop up fig name when abbreviation is used, like username when you type with @.
          Pete
          USDA Zone 7b
          Piedmont NC

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          • #7
            Good point, Mario. I believe I have been guilty of this myself and I certainly remember what it was like when I first started. I was so confused and thought everyone was old and constipated with all the talk about different BM’s!!! 😝 For example, I remember reading the following and wondering what this poor guy ate!!! “Oh my gosh!! I just had the best BM ever!!” 😂 And I remember thinking, “yeah, figs can do that to you”
            Eric - Santa Barbara, CA Zone 10a

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            • GuyA
              GuyA commented
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              😀🤣BM!😵🚽🧻good laugh.

          • #8
            I don't want this great point to die on the vine. . . . I understand that many forum members won't know what RLBV means, but I also know that I'm not going to write out Red Lebanese Bekka Valley (or Jason's Unknown Black Ischia, or even Green Michurinska) even once in each new post.

            So what would it take to create a glossary of abbreviations?

            Note that it's not merely a matter of stringing together first letters (e.g., JUBI). If we tried that approach, we'd confuse Marseilles Black and Malta Black, Black Greek and Bourjasotte Grise, White Madeira and White Marseilles.
            Joe, Z6B, RI.

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            • Mario
              Mario commented
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              You’re right this shouldn’t die on the vine,
              I find myself skipping the entire post if I don’t know what I’m reading about

          • #9
            Guilty as well.
            Z8+ Oregon, willamette valley. WL: More land, cool citrus
            Ok fine, I made a channel but it’s not all figs: https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC2vAVzLns27I5JUiwpiPMUw

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            • #10
              However, in order to write more clearly than now (and quickly), you need to use non-initials - codes from letters, such as CDDB, with a loss of meaning. Abbreviations can be more convenient and understandable, for example - MarB, MalB, MadW, MarW. Or similar.
              Андрей. N.-W. Кавказ, пень Абрау, 7б-8а

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              • #11
                When I come across an abbreviation I don't recognize I do a search and if it isn't on here it will be on the internet. I saw a few times where a person simply asked what an abbreviation stood for and was answered. Easy enough to do. Personally, I'm not going to type out all the names every time but if someone asks for clarification I'll type it out for them.
                7B Southern NJ

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                • #12
                  While I agree with the premise, arachyd has the key for sure. I've seen many abbreviations I don't know and if you simply google "RBLV" WITH "fig" (or search in:figbid or search inurfigs ) you usually guaranteed to get an answer.

                  Now the other day I did see a new one and I could not find it. I think RdB and VdB are fairly safe to use...but the newer ones, we can write those out.

                  I do agree even more on location. That makes a huge difference, and I cannot google that!!
                  Jaime - Orange County, CA 10a (coastal) Wishlist: Thermalito, Cosme Manyo, Beltrana, Del Sen Jaume Gran

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                  • #13
                    Spelling it out once on a post isn’t to much to ask and it’s easier than probably 20 or more people looking it up on line.
                    for me it’s easier to skip the blog altogether
                    Wallingford,Ct. zone 6b

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                    • Wisner
                      Wisner commented
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                      I agree, way too many abbreviations for me to learn. I will usually just skip the thread with abbreviations I don't recognize.

                    • Mario
                      Mario commented
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                      Don’t blame you, I’ll bit more people than we think are doing same ,why read about something you don’t know what it is

                  • #14
                    Here's how I might abbreviate the varieties I own. Consider these just a proposal for now. If you are interested, suggest additions or alternatives. I realize that as varieties are added, conflicts will arise. We can deal with them in turn.

                    If we make enough progress, we can ask the moderators to move it to the frequently referenced section.

                    Mario -- I realize that this initiative will increase abbreviations not eliminate them. But maybe it'll make them more standardized and comprehensible. If you want me to start a separate thread rather than hijack yours, let me know.

                    Black Bethlehem BB
                    Black Greek BG
                    Black Madeira kk BMkk
                    Black Zadar BZ
                    Campaniere Camp
                    Dalmatie D or Dal
                    Danny's Delight DD
                    De Tres Esplets DTE
                    Florea F or Flo
                    Green Michurinska GM
                    Grise Olivette GrO
                    Hative d'Argenteuil HdA
                    Improved Celeste IC or ICON
                    Improved Celeste (Early) ICE
                    JH Adriatic AJH
                    JUBI / Negretta JUBI
                    Kesariani K
                    Lattarula Latt
                    LSU Gold LSUG
                    LSU Purple LSUP
                    Malta Black MlB
                    Marseilles Black vs MrBvs
                    Moscatel Preto MP
                    Natalina Nat
                    Negra D'Agde NdA
                    Nero 600M N600M
                    Nordland Nord
                    Norella Nor
                    O'Rourke O’R
                    Paradiso Gene PG
                    Pastilierre Past
                    Planera Planera
                    Raasti North Persian ICandy
                    Red Lebanese Bekaa Valley RLBV
                    Ronde de Bordeaux RdB
                    Salem Dark SD
                    Sao Miguel Roxo SMR
                    Smith S or Smith
                    St Martin StM
                    St Rita StR
                    Takoma Violet TV
                    Teramo Teramo
                    Valle Negra VN
                    Violet Sepor VS
                    White Madeira #1 WM#1
                    San Pedro:
                    Filacciano Bianco FB
                    Zumwalt Z
                    Lampeira Preta LP
                    Grantham’s Royal GR
                    Joe, Z6B, RI.

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                    • Nora
                      Nora commented
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                      Nice start. Keeping with a simplicity theme, I would suggest:

                      1. Minimum of 2 letters. Minimum of 3 would be clearer
                      (except for those 2 letter standards such as BM, grandfather them in?).

                      2. All uppercase.

                      3. Don’t shorten anything 5 letters or less (e.g. Smith)

                    • eboone
                      eboone commented
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                      MlB could be confused with Madeira Island Black, I would expect.

                    • AndreaVanIsle
                      AndreaVanIsle commented
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                      Thanks Joe! I made a screenshot(s) and added to my fig photo album.
                      I’m new to commenting so don’t know the format..

                      Andrea, Z8/9 Vancouver Island

                  • #15
                    Here's another vote for people putting their location and growing zone in their signature. Most of what people say or ask on this forum has very little meaning without the context of their location. There are people with hundreds of posts who still have not done it. C'mon, people! Put your location and zone in your signature!
                    Steve - Clarksburg, MD zone 7a

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                    • Sulev
                      Sulev commented
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                      leon_edmond User Settings -> Account -> Edit Post Signature (under Visible Post Elements at Conversation Detail Options section)

                    • Sparky
                      Sparky commented
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                      Sulev Thanks, I had trouble finding it myself

                    • ginamcd
                      ginamcd commented
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                      Agree location (at least the state) and zone are vital. If it's not in the signature line, sometimes you can find it in the person's profile by clicking on their screen name.

                  • #16
                    Can someone say how to edit your signature. Thanks
                    Travis - Cincinnati OH. Zone 6
                    wishlist- ondata, Verdolino, rosselino, https://youtube.com/channel/UCYp6pIa2-WlnommArTGKlpQ

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                    • claret
                      claret commented
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                      Clarktj2 I see that you've made 132 posts so far, so you've been here a while. But to make things easy on myself, I'm cutting and pasting what I normally post on a newbie's "Introducing myself" thread. There may be something else here that interests you also (Note: the URL in step one is a live link, so just click on it).

                      1. Go to https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-h...erenced-topics and click on the link in section 2. c. Personalizing Member Info: , Signature Line …
                      2. You’ll notice that most of us put at least 3 things in our signatures
                      • Our first name,
                      • The general area where we live (a nearby major city is good enough), and
                      • The “hardiness zone” for where our plants grow. You can find yours by looking here: https://www.plantmaps.com/
                      Once we have that information, we can help you more.

                      But even better! Before you ask questions and wait for people to answer, there’s an abundance of great information you can find on your own, without waiting. I highly recommend these four resources on the web. I use them often myself:
                      1. The Index of Frequently Referenced Topics here on the forum. Keep this link handy, because you'll find a treasure trove of information there. That way you won't need to wait for others to answer your questions. You'll be way ahead of the game! It's at https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-h...erenced-topics
                      2. figdatabase.com -- one of 2 sites where you might find useful information on various fig varieties. Incomplete, but still helpful.
                      3. figvarieties.com -- the other (also incomplete but sometimes very helpful) site for information on fig varieties.
                      4. A little tip I was given that has come in very handy: The search engine here on Ourfigs.com isn't near as powerful as google.com. But there's a way to use google to search the Ourfigs web site on any topic you want. Here's an example: On Google.com, if you do a search for

                      site:http://www.ourfigs.com "Dark Portuguese"
                      That search will return all the forum's posts on the Dark Portuguese fig variety. It's a very useful tool!

                      Alan
                      Last edited by claret; 08-17-2021, 08:14 PM. Reason: URL help

                    • jrdewhirst
                      jrdewhirst commented
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                      Good stuff claret!

                    • claret
                      claret commented
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                      Thanks jrdewhirst. Clarktj2 -- Travis, I see your first signature line revision now. Great! ... except not everyone knows what "cddb" means (the problem that this thread is all about). Come on, man -- get with the program! Help the newbies! It's only a few more key strokes out of the thousands you'll make in a day.

                  • #17
                    Nora wrote:

                    << Keeping with a simplicity theme, I would suggest:

                    1. Minimum of 2 letters. Minimum of 3 would be clearer
                    (except for those 2 letter standards such as BM, grandfather them in?).

                    2. All uppercase.

                    3. Don’t shorten anything 5 letters or less (e.g. Smith) >>



                    These are good suggestions. I'm gonna try this:

                    1. Minimum of 2 letters, except in a few cases where a single letter is grandfathered (e.g., A jh).

                    2. All uppercase for initial letters. But lower case for (a) subsequent letters in the same word (e.g. Smith, BBeth), and (b) abbreviations of prepositions (e.g., RdB, VdB, CdD), and (c) names of sources (e.g., BM kk, MarsB vs).

                    3. Don't shorten anything 6 letters or less, at least the 1st time. After one full or abbreviated mention, even a single letter will do (Smith then merely S, Teramo then T).

                    4. Standardized abbreviations for colors. For example, black would be B (English), Noir (French), Neg (Spanish, Italian), Pr (Portuguese), Mav (Greek). Just suggestions. I'll flesh out this idea later.

                    5. Standardized abbreviations for place names. These will generally require more than one letter. For example, Mars (Marseilles), Isc (Ischia), Az (Azores).

                    6. Maybe most important, grandfathering of many widely accepted abbreviations that don't follow these rules exactly (e.g., RdB, VdB, CdD, EBT).
                    Joe, Z6B, RI.

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                    • #18
                      After my Army days I came home with a head full of groups of alphabet letters that meant something. Now I am learning a whole new set of letter groups for figs I grow. I think just keeping it for the most common varieties and just keeping it simple is the key
                      Ed- Southern Utah 8b - Wish List: Anything that is very tasty, that is common and I don't have.

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                      • #19
                        When I first came to the forum every other post it seemed had fig name abbreviations that left me ???
                        Honestly it began to become tiresome and time consuming to stop everytime and try to find out what the fig name abbreviation was.
                        I learned what some abbreviations mean now but in some cases I just skip the post in frustration.
                        I really don't see what the big deal is typing a full proper name, it would take literally a few seconds more of your time.
                        I think putting the zone you live in a great idea as well, I always check that out in the signatures.
                        Last edited by Terra; 08-18-2021, 04:22 PM.
                        Almaguin Highlands, Canada. Zone 4a/3b. WL: Ronde de Bordeaux, Florea, Hollier, Dauphine, Gisotta nero, Verdolino, Malta Black, Violet Sepor .Any early finishers would help, just starting out, not picky. Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication~Da Vinci

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                        • #20
                          My approach is simple. If I am responding to a post about Boysenberry Blush, my response might include BB. This should be rather simple to understand.
                          If I randomly say BB in a post that either has nothing to do with Boysenberry Blush, that is confusing.
                          I do it out of convenience and try not to confuse folks.
                          I might start a thought with the full name and abbreviate later in the same communication.
                          https://youtube.com/channel/UCHHopi_E99OBvafBPEcF_pg
                          Zone 8B - Cottage Grove, Or
                          Wish List - Crema di Wheat

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                          • #21
                            Red Lebanese (Bekaa Valley)
                            Marseilles Black Vasile Surugiu
                            Col de Dame Gegantina
                            Colonel Littman’s Black Cross
                            Alan. Los Angeles area. Zone 10b (Sunset zone 24).
                            Looking for: Boysenberry Blush, Dolce Calderai, Hative D'Argenteuil, Ondata.

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                            • jrdewhirst
                              jrdewhirst commented
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                              I'd say RLBV, MarsB vs, CdDG, CLBC.

                              I get that these can be inscrutable to the newbie, but the glossary would take care of that so long as we have no repeats (e.g., Malta Black and Marseilles Black can't both be MB).

                            • Figwasp
                              Figwasp commented
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                              jrdewhirst I've only ever seen it as MBVS.

                            • jrdewhirst
                              jrdewhirst commented
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                              Figwasp -- I've seen Marseilles Black as MBvs or MBVS or just MB (because we don't always credit the person who introduced the variety. How often do we see "Florea vs"?). I think someone might write Malta Black as MB. And there must be other varieties with the same initials. So there's room for cionfusion.

                              But all that is beside the point. I'm just saying that we can create an agreed abbreviation. I don't really care what it is. MBvs would be most consistent with past practice; MarsB vs (or similar) would minimize confusion with other names.

                          • #22
                            OK, this is how I propose to abbreviate my own varieties. I'm trying to follow the rules in Post #17 above; if I made any mistakes, please let me know.

                            I've proposed some abbreviations for place names, embedded. For example, Mars for Marseilles. By default, A is Argenteuil or Adge, depending on context; and B is Bordeaux. I is Ischia. M is Madeira. Z is Zadar.

                            I'm also trying to implement some standard abbreviations for colors, also given below.

                            It's a work in progress . . . .

                            Varieties:
                            Black Bethlehem BBeth
                            Black Greek BGrk
                            Black Madeira kk BM kk
                            Black Zadar BZ
                            Campaniere Camp
                            Dalmatie Dal
                            Danny's Delight DD
                            De Tres Esplets DTE
                            Florea vs Florea
                            Green Michurinska GMich
                            Grise Olivette GrO
                            Hative d'Argenteuil HdA
                            Improved Celeste IC or ICON
                            Improved Celeste (Early) ICE
                            JH Adriatic Adr jh
                            JUBI / Negretta JUBI
                            Kesariani Kes
                            Lattarula Latt
                            LSU Gold LSU-G
                            LSU Purple LSU-P
                            Malta Black MaltaB
                            Marseilles Black vs MarsB vs
                            Moscatel Preto MscPr
                            Natalina Nat
                            Negra D'Agde NdA
                            Nero 600M Ne600M
                            Nordland Nord
                            Norella Nor
                            O'Rourke O’R
                            Paradiso Gene Par g
                            Pastilierre Past
                            Planera Planera
                            Raasti North Persian ICandy
                            Red Lebanese Bekaa Valley RLBV
                            Ronde de Bordeaux RdB
                            Salem Dark SDk
                            Sao Miguel Roxo SMR
                            Smith Smith
                            St Martin StM
                            St Rita StR
                            Takoma Violet TV
                            Teramo Teramo
                            Valle Negra VN
                            Violet Sepor VS
                            White Madeira #1 WM#1
                            San Pedro:
                            Filacciano Bianco FBia
                            Zumwalt Z
                            Lampeira Preta LPr
                            Grantham’s Royal GR
                            Colors:
                            Black B
                            White W
                            Green G
                            Violet V
                            Dark Dk
                            Noir Noir
                            Blanche Bl
                            Verte Ver
                            Violette Vi
                            Grise Gr
                            Negro/a Neg
                            Blanco/a Bla
                            Verde Ver
                            Violetta Vio
                            Preto/a Pr
                            Bianco/a Bi
                            Last edited by jrdewhirst; 08-19-2021, 01:43 PM.
                            Joe, Z6B, RI.

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                            • don_sanders
                              don_sanders commented
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                              Some of those already have commonly used abbreviations like MBVS, AJH, N600M. LPR could be confused with Lampeira Prusch. I like Icandy.

                            • jrdewhirst
                              jrdewhirst commented
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                              Don -- On the 1st three, I made small changes merely to comply with my own rules. If the community agrees on the current versions as exceptions to the rules, that'd be fine with me. As for LPr, my intent with the color abbreviations is that Pr always means Preto/a. So Lampeira Prusch would have to be something like LPru.

                          • #23
                            I would venture to suggest some thoughts on this topic. First, only the full spelling should be considered the variety name. Any abbreviation is not a name, but only indicates it. It is important that the abbreviation reads the stem / root, so that the texts are easy to read, without delays in thinking and understanding what kind of variety we are talking about. Second, the base is the name of the place / region, always of 4 letters - with a capital letter, and the epithet - the color of the fruit - is always one or two lowercase letters. And nothing else is needed. For example, bMade.
                            Андрей. N.-W. Кавказ, пень Абрау, 7б-8а

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                            • #24
                              All this suggestions for abbreviations are wonderful but I’m still a firm believer the easiest way is to write out the full name ONLY ONCE at beginning of post.
                              I for one will not read any post that needs any effort to figure out what I’m reading about, and the date of figs ripening without the knowledge of the zone is useless.
                              Wallingford,Ct. zone 6b

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                              • Sulev
                                Sulev commented
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                                At the beginning of the thread or at the beginning of (each) post, there is a huge difference,

                              • claret
                                claret commented
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                                Simple and to the point. One person types 20 more keystrokes the first time they mention a variety in their post. Then the hundreds or thousands of readers who see it later have only one thing to do: read.

                                Craven's Craving. Cherry Cordial.

                              • tinyfish
                                tinyfish commented
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                                For me the beginning of the thread would be enough.

                            • #25
                              Maybe to far down in this thread now but for the Canadian members listing their growing zone can you convert it to the USDA Zone and list it as USDA zone fill in the blank. Most of the members are from the USA.
                              Tony, Toronto Canada USDA 4B now 5B apparently!!
                              Wishlist:
                              Yellow Neches, St Martain, Texas Peach.

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                              • claret
                                claret commented
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                                Please refer to post 16.1 above. The 3rd bullet under point #2 contains a link to a site with interactive maps. Keep scrolling down on that site, and you can find USDA zone equivalents for all over the world. Very handy for the sake of standardizing. It would be nice if we had an "international standard" instead, but I don't know of one. If anyone does, please PM me; I'll add it to my signature.
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