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  • Organza Bags Defeated

    After a night of 4" rains followed by another night of 2" rains I went out to inspect the troops. 2.5 dozen figs were ruined by mold or being blown off while still hard. It was evening and the sun set during my inspection. I donned my green headlamp and continued. I saw a new enemy that I haven't heard anyone talk about yet: moths.

    I don't know if they just took advantage of cracks caused by swelling or if they can attack any fig at will. There were at least half a dozen different kinds. They appeared to be drinking juice from the fig. One was going up and down like an oil drilling rig in the plains. I suspect he was using his proboscis to stir up some fig pulp to make it easier to drink. All the figs visited by moths had turned to vinegar, probably via bacteria carried by the moth. Organza bags were no barrier to them as their built in straws are much thinner than the holes in the mesh. The only way to defeat them would be to have a gap between the nylon and the fig. Something like a cage around the fig grove made out of no-seeum netting.

    Sigh.
    Last edited by Jamie0507; 08-29-2016, 03:51 PM. Reason: Edit request
    Bob C.
    Kansas City, MO Z6

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    I could only get one photo before my phone died.
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    Last edited by Harborseal; 08-27-2016, 08:36 PM.
    Bob C.
    Kansas City, MO Z6

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    • Harborseal
      Harborseal commented
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      This moth is going in through the ostiole.

  • #3
    Hmm test test.
    Cutting sales will start Tuesday Nov 1 at 9:00 eastern

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    • Harborseal
      Harborseal commented
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      Where the heck did you find this? It wasn't on the first 2 pages of the forum view and it didn't come up in a search on organza.

  • #4
    Well I could say magic but that isn't the case. I simply clicked on your name and the post was there so clicked on it and made a post and it reappeared. Now why did it disappear in the first place??? I have not a clue.
    Cutting sales will start Tuesday Nov 1 at 9:00 eastern

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    • Harborseal
      Harborseal commented
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      Moths have infiltrated your server and desire to remain under the radar.

    • don_sanders
      don_sanders commented
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      Haha, I thought I had seen this post but it disappeared. Thought it was deleted or I was going crazy. Or both.

  • #5
    I'll also try to think of a barrier I could clip on the fig to increase the distance to the nylon or to stop the proboscis from penetrating (like a 'hard' shell that has room for the fruit to grow a little) without damaging the fig. Moth proboscis can be very long.

    It's a constant arms race!

    Please feel free to brainstorm with me
    Last edited by Harborseal; 08-28-2016, 04:23 PM.
    Bob C.
    Kansas City, MO Z6

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    • #6
      Insects are the hackers of the fruit culture world. Deploy a new security package and the hackers circumvent it and find new ways to attack almost before deployment is completed. The insect world is the same.... a constant cycle of parry / thrust / parry / thrust ... hard to get ahead of the game and figure out a proactive way to protect that which is ours without having to use some super toxic combination of chemicals....
      Tony - Zone 6A
      WL- Good Health, a 60 lb Striped Bass, a Boone and Crockett Typical Buck, bushels of ripe Black Madeira figs, bushels of ripe Hachiya and other tasty Diospyros Kaki Persimmons

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      • #7
        Well, I do not know what's more depressing, reading of someone else's struggles or go through them myself
        I haven't eaten a fig for two days, that's an extreme. For some reason, the critters don't wait for a ripe fig any more but go for a still hard fruit.
        USDA z 10a, SoCal. WL: Boysenberry Blush

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        • #8
          Figs seem to have an awful lot of pests for a pest free fruit.

          I've had issues with tiny little ants getting through organza bags too. I've never even seen ants this small before. Bags also seem to cause more issues if there is a couple of days of rain too...keeps the fig moist longer and causes them to rot. So far, I seem to be having better luck without them but that does make it easier for cucumber beetles to get to them and they will tear them up fast once they start. I don't think my local wildlife (birds, possums, coons) have figured out what a fig is yet. Can't wait for that to happen.
          Don - OH Zone 6a Wish list: Verdolino, Black Celeste

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          • ThaiFigs
            ThaiFigs commented
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            Tiny ants can be blocked using tanglefoot , axle grease or vaseline. Just wrap a 6" section of stem tightly with electricians tape, then apply a thin coat of one of the three to the top inch. It will run down the stem in the summer heat, hence the extra 5 inches of tape below the barrier to keep the material off the fig bark. Wrap tightly so the ants can't tunnel under the tape.

        • #9
          You're definitely right about the mold. I was going to post that. Part of the bag gets wet and sticks to the fig. That area stays wet longer and molds. I delayed putting bags on today because a storm was coming. Tomorrow morning I'm going to go around to all the bags and shake out any wetness.

          Tonight I also found grasshoppers eating figs. Very sad.
          Bob C.
          Kansas City, MO Z6

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          • #10
            Grasshoppers also eat new buds coming out of the stems before they can form into branches.

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