Synonyms

[TheBigFatFig]

I have been wondering, since there are so many synonyms floating around, why there isn't a not so spread out list of synonyms?

I first discovered on a YouTube that

Genoves Nero = I258
And that
Sister Madeline's Green Greek = Vasilika Syka

Black Bethlehem = Chicago Hardy

And since more discoveries

Bourjasotte Gris Maybe Socorro Black or maybe slightly different from Violet Sepor with only a slight variation in wood with a shinier fig that tastes about the same. So which would I want in Dallas?

Bourjasotte Noire = Violet De Sollies

Flanders is said to be the same as Kafe Te Jiate
...
maybe you know the story too from your own research @ how they were renamed or why?

There are a ton of Italian varieties do they have different names here or yet to make it here for introduction? I was looking at expensive figs in Europe and wondering if they are here?

I still think it's best practice to keep labels but I also think a convenient list is healthy practice...Please list your known or suspected synonyms to help the community.

Note:
Please consider maturity before making a claim ... we know that Adriatics are very similar but can vary alot per climate as with most fig varieties... Mt Aetnas can be almost the same but a few seem to stand out in one climate or another or in growth habit or appearance... why would you choose one of these types over another?

There are also figs so similar that it maybe not worth having both despite differences and so the best choice hinges around climatic effects and adaptations. LSU Gold vs Deanna is one that was presented to me.

Please share your trialing data that has to do with figs that boast the same flavors size and other qualities.. and where you grow them if appropriate. There are hundreds of fig names! Alot of people have trialed alot of them.

Please contribute if you have the intel

[Kid Fig]

This would be great as a sticky post!

Although I think the minor differences should be posted on them as well since some synonyms like BA-1 does better in hotter climates as opposed to Smith (If BA-1 is truly synonymous with Smith).

[TheBigFatFig]

I can't say I know but in the latest Ross video covering the two he describes BA-1 as having a high light requirement for fruitset

[Kid Fig]

Interesting - so it wasn't the heat of the hotter climate areas but rather the length of exposure to daylight.

Now I gotta get BA-1 to compare!

[cybercop]

Bourjasotte Noire = Violet De Sollies

Fico Africano = Barnissotte, Bellegarde, Bernissou Negra, Bourjassotte Noire, Bouriageotte, Brogiotto Fiorentino, Brogiotto Nero, Violette de Solliès, Negro Largo (Spain), Précoce Noire, Burjassotte Preto, Grosse Bourjassotte, Grosso Figo, Monacello, Ficus polymorpha var. depressa Gasparrini, F. carica barnissota Risso.
I leave Black Medeira in question. To me, this is a newly coined name and is another successor to Fico Africano. If anyone has seen a source that mentions and describes this variety over 50 years ago, please post it. Even if the name is traditional to the island of Madeira, this does not exclude the possibility that it is identical to the varieties described above. But at least it will be known that it is not some kind of fraud, and in fact on the island of Madeira this variety has been known for centuries under this name.

[davej]

Black Bethlehem = Chicago Hardy

Uh, no. I've never heard that before.

You might look at the fig databases and see what they say...

https://figvarieties.com/

https://www.figdatabase.com/

https://monserratpons.com/variedades/

[Carrie Jo]

I got so excited about the 3rd website.... Unfortunately not in the only language I know. Is there a way to see the site in english? Just asking because I am not tech savvy.

[Noah Mercy]

"Chicago Hardy from Ebay"... LOL. Oh Man, you crack me up!

[Noah Mercy]

Carrie Jo Yes. Check the BROWSER app you are using (safari, chrome, firefox, etc.) - if it isn't built in you can probably install an EXTENSION for your BROWSER.

[cybercop]

Uh, no. I've never heard that before.

You might look at the fig databases and see what they say...

https://www.figdatabase.com/

davej : The Fig Database site has so many errors that I wouldn't point it out as a source to anyone at all. There, confusing synonyms or presenting synonyms as completely different varieties is common.

Here's an example : https://www.figdatabase.com/variety-...ire-de-bellone

Noire de Bellone and Sultane are synonymous. But, this variety is quite different from the Bellona (Noire de Nice) variety, which is often labeled as Bellone Unifere (but not Noire de Bellone). Although they are from the Mission family, the difference between the two varieties is very large.

[davej]

Well, the owners of two of those databases are members here on Ourfigs, so I would think that suggestions and corrections are possible. What then do you feel are better sources of information?

[cybercop]

davej : Information must be gathered from several sources, and above all from sources engaged in scientific activity. In the example shown, it is a question of very well-known varieties in Europe, and this gross mistake immediately attracts attention.

[Shaft]

davej thank you

cybercop Rigo007 puts a lot of effort into researching each variety, but since he doesn't (and can't) grow every single variety he's relying on other sources on the internet, including the old forums. That's why things are not listed as SYNONYMS but as POSSIBLE SYNONYMS, to properly reflect the data. If you have more data, you can submit it to FigDB or to Rigo or myself here on OF.

" There, confusing synonyms or presenting synonyms as completely different varieties is common."

Not so much, no. In fact, FigDB was among the first suggesting KTE and Flanders are the same. It's rather disingenuous to say that the figDB presents synonyms as completely different varieties.

https://www.figdatabase.com/fig-news/knowledge-is-key-the-issues-with-spending-big-without-knowing

Regarding Noire De Nice... figues du monde disagrees with you, which was Rigo's source for the claim that de Nice and de Bellone might be the same. FigDB provides all of its sources, so how this gets blamed on FigDB is beyond me. FigDB doesn't make any original claims, but rather reports the findings of others. https://figuesdumonde.wordpress.com/2016/09/16/bellone/

[goodfriendmike]

There have been many fig varieties that have been proven the same as others. But I would not trust YouTube or any of the databases. They are good for reference but not always accurate. When I first started researching Caprifig’s there where so many I thought were persistent that I found out through further research where not. But the databases told me they were??? Now with out a lot of research I will not claim one fig to be the same as another. Or claim one is common/persistent.

[GuyA]

Names really don't matter. Remember this journey is about finding the fig that you like. White Maderia, Black Maderia, Fico Geatano, Uncles Eugene's or even Uncle Vinnies figs. The name doesn't matter, it the taste and ability to grow in your area. The fun to me at this time is finding UNK's figs growing in someone's backyard, asking them for a cutting and see if I could grow it. This are not Louie Vuitton bags or Ferrari cars. I get the enjoyment of growing a plant. Best of luck.

[TheBigFatFig]

I have a good mix of plants started several based on reports and some unknown and the luxury to grow out a bunch.. land space, piles of rich soil, hundreds of pots, a rainwater pool... its a labor of ❤️... and Valentines day is coming soon... I'm going to need more land though

[jmrtsus]

Names matter so that you don't waste money buying the same fig tree several times...............I refuse to do business with places that sell the same fig under different names and there are many that do the name switch for the $$$$. Or people that try to take a mismarked plant and claim a "new" type of XYZ fig. If a fig is different in any way it is not a synonym, for example there are not different Celeste figs. Synonym in fig nomenclature means to the eye they are identical in leaves, fruit and growth habits, if you see differences they are NOT a synonym. But this forum has it seems decreed if they are close they are a new version! Seems any small sweet fig is now a new "Celeste". Sad, Pliny noted about 2000 years ago that fig names were already out of control then. Condit tried to show what was known of synonyms in his work of 1955 which showed only one Celeste in fig history........now this forum and other place want to claim all these "new" Celeste figs. Only one Adriatic, now we have folks that refer to all green figs with red interior as "Adriatic types" the funny thing is the true Adriatic was a fig renamed in California from the Verdone fig, no evidence it came from the Adriatic area, LOL.

[ginamcd]

Seems for every person who says two varieties are synonyms, another person comes along swears they're different.

Too many climate and growing method variables.

No clear trail back to the original,

No proof (e.g., DNA) that two figs from two different originators are the same.

Most we can do is list possible/suspected synonyms, or lump together similar types (e.g., Adriatics, Mt Etna's), and let each person decide if they really need more than one in their collection.

While there may be others, two that we do have a clear answer for are Azores Dark and Sao Miguel Roxo as the person who introduced it did come back to formally let the forum know he had tacked the Azores Dark name onto it when he shared SMR years back. (See post #12.1 in this thread - https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-h...ne-for-a-while)

But then they are both Mt Etna's, so for all we know there is another Mt Etna that was brought over to a different part of the US from the same mother tree by a different immigrant and introduced under another name... Same could be said for a few others out there.

Messy all around...

[BC BYRON]

Keep in mind Gina that many people dont investigate their trees well and assume the fig is the name they bought it by. So when they see such and such fig is the same they say no. I have proved tons of figs wrong from nurseries especially but many from so called reputable sellers as well

[ginamcd]

And then there's the people like ones you describe who will buy a tree that doesn't match what it's labeled so they slap a whole new name on it and declare it a new variety.

[RosyPosy]

As Gina said, it’s just messy.

Example, Socorro Black & Bourjassotte Grise. I have both. Based on this last season, I would swear they are different varieties. But that’s just their first season fruiting. BG was in full sun, SB was more shaded. Maybe one is incorrect, though both gotten from reputable sources. There are variables that need to be taken into account, and other information that just can’t be traced for many varieties.

figvarieties.com does a pretty good job at listing possible synonyms, so I always check there if I’m wondering.

[Figwasp]

I watched a recent YouTube video from enlightenment gardening that says they are different too. Both looked like mature trees. She says they are very similar but definitely different.

[RosyPosy]

Figwasp Interesting! The two fruited at different times for me and SB skin looked more green, and didn’t have the purple coloring like BG. It’s definitely one I’ll be watching to see how it does this coming season.

[Michael]

I have BG in ground. Last year it grew a number of figs, but they came out late and none ripened. This year the tree is in its third year, and it fruited much earlier and most of the figs ripened, which also meant they were able to get much larger. Like many have said, you really can't determine what a tree will be like until you give it a few years.

[davej]

figvarieties.com does a pretty good job at listing possible synonyms, so I always check there if I’m wondering.

I think the problem for the databases is that some references consider "synonyms" to mean "commonly misidentified as."

[TheBigFatFig]

I have had it in my head for months that Black Bethlehem and Chicago Hardy are Synonyms but now I find many comments saying different things... anywhere from its a smaller CH to being more like Malta Black, not as productive very productive, dropper not a dropper... obviously could be climate or actual health of plants causing observation to vary

Thanks for commenting davej

Another is Paradiso Bronze and Battaglia Green possibly being the same... maybe easy to get similarities in Adriatic types. These two have a few convinced that they are the same.

[cvarcher]

Yeah I have Battaglia Green and White Madeira one for 5 years now and as far as leaves, fruit color, and size and timing they are extremely similar. But I will say BG beats it in flavor. Thats the only differance I can see.

[TheBigFatFig]

Someone locally said Battaglia shows difficulty ripening fruits here and I've seen another similar complaint i saw after i bought them Hopefully WM wins in heat mine came from HermanSur ...

anyone know if it's the same as WM#1? ... is there a WM that is the # 2 in a very hot climate

lol

If you put # next to 2 it makes the word FORUM

[Fig Gazer]

NICE to have the opinions of the members on fig variety names and synonyms as a starting point for your own observations in you own varied micro climates .no one is ever going to do a full dna sequence to compare fig names (emfasis on FULL ) SO opinion : weather acurate or not is in most cases is what were left with .IN my opinion the SUCCRETE from the usda wolfskill orchard is the same as CULL NOIR (black butt ) .SO here is a example of a opinion ,what do you think ?

[MARCO]

This made me chuckle inside.

[Finodejete]

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While there may be others, two that we do have a clear answer for are Azores Dark and Sao Miguel Roxo as the person who introduced it did come back to formally let the forum know he had tacked the Azores Dark name onto it when he shared SMR years back....

Maybe a member name or real name can be attached to this introduction?

Here’s another:
The late George Emerich of Fallbrook, Ca introduced ‘Long Yellow’ (as labeled by himself) around 2002 and Edgar Valdivia of Simi Valley, Ca the same year referred to it as ‘Yellow Long Neck’ and that is the name that has stuck ever since.

[ginamcd]

And here is more on the twists and turns of the two figs (maybe...) called Yellow Long Neck and Long Yellow - https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-h...the-difference

[Finodejete]

Ok I went through the link that Gina posted above and the imbedded links. (That happened to be the first time I commented in this forum).
So George Emerich saved the fig from extinction, propagated and labeled it as ‘Long Yellow’ and it was distributed to Richard Watts, Quail Botanical Gardens, Jon [email protected]@@@, Edgar Valdivia and I’m sure others like myself. We know Edgar named it Yellow Long Neck and has given wood away by the truckloads. Although I only talked to Richard a couple times at the CRFG meetings he seemed like if he distributed it he would do it as Long Yellow, by the label name. Jon apparently got a cutting or tree originating from Quail as Long Yellow and distributed it under that name and/or YLN and got a tree from George and may have lost the label and started calling it “Big Yellow” which he lists as a variety on his web site.
This fig can have a short stem, long stem, short neck, long neck and any combination of those. Ripen green colored early and yellow later. It also develops a purplish tinge in cooler weather and that can turn into a golden brown even later. I have even had a few with the flesh starting to turn red.

[Shaft]

Finodejete Yeah it's a pretty epic story.

I'm fairly convinced Long Yellow and YLN are not the same btw. Here's the story, as I understand it.

A History of Adjectives "Is it a long-neck fig that's yellow, or a yellow fig that has a long neck?" This is the question once proposed by long-time Figaholic Harvey Correia with regard to the Yellow Long Neck fig. Apparently it was once called Long Neck Yellow, but through an innocuous change of adjective-noun placement, it became the YLN. This fig was, according to fig legend, acquired at the eleventh hour by the late George Emerich just moments prior to the UC Riverside collection being culled, and all of figdom rejoiced.


Fig Flavor and Characteristics The main crop of Yellow Long Neck produces a honey-type fig with green skin. It is a fairly late ripener but appears to be, by all accounts, a very cold-hardy tree. While like most honey figs it has issues in the rain, including spoilage and a loss of flavor, it still does fairly well in most gardens throughout the US. Kremp notes hints of red blush in the pulp, an agave flavor, and its syruppy texture with a good deal of seed crunch. This cultivar does produce a breba, typically in the mid-season, that is "densely brown sugar sweet with a tannic aftertaste" according to blackear on the FigDatabase. He also notes that the skin, while thin, does have a chewy quality to it.
The figs come out larger than a tennis ball at times, perhaps one-third to one-half the size of a $20 bill. 100grams is not unusual for this fig, with a maximum weight of 174grams that I am aware of: this fig is a meal. The leaves of the tree itself tend to be broad-fingered with serrated edges. Kremp also makes note of the large leaves, which match the large fruit size and should make this a fairly distinguishable leaf-type.
FIGS

Confusion & Synonymy This appears to be a different fig than the Long Yellow from Quail Gardens, but this is a topic that is still often-discussed and hotly-debated. There is another, similar debate regarding Ben's Golden Riverside/Robert's Golden Rainbow, which also came from the UCR collection. Many prominent figsters have gone on record stating they believe these figs to ALSO be Yellow Long Neck, but short of DNA evidence and a fully-sequenced genome it's hard to confirm if two figs are a genetic match, only if they are different. The mystery will continue, and we encourage you to do your own experiments to make a determination for yourself.

[goodfriendmike]

We can guess all day. But keep the names they were labeled with when you bought them. I believe Alma and Holy Smokes is the same. But it has not been genetically tested. Until then my Holy Smokes will stay Holy Smokes only. No need to add names or combine names with out proof. It confuses an already confusing issue even more.

[jmrtsus]

Alma was a Ficus Palmata cross (25%) and has upturned cupped leaves....very distinctive.

[goodfriendmike]

jmrtsus Yes I know. Holy Smokes has the same leaves and the figs are very close. But that is why I said a second ago we should not combine them just because someone THINKS they are the same.

[jmrtsus]

Without DNA the only method was fig scientists compared MATURE trees and determined synonyms based on visual observation. Now we have newbies that declare "new" varieties in just one year, LOL!

[swethakyadav]

The one that hit me hard : Calderona and BFF. Acquired both and figured out that I cant differentiate them.

[TheBigFatFig]

Thats interesting for down here. I had both that had healthy starts on roots right before summer turned very hot. BFF Stayed strong but Calderona dropped leaves fast, formed new buds and then failed again... definitely not enough for a valid experiment but that was my first impression in regards to the two. I'm glad I have one of them at least

[deanp]

Thanks. I didn't know about the high similarity if not synonomy of Calderona and BFF. I'm rooting Calderona and had BFF on my wish list. I think now I'll just stick with Calderona. Here are the threads comparing the two:

https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-home/907549-bff-vs-calderona

https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-home/1212918-bass-favorite-fig-vs-calderona-round-2

[Nick Costanza]

durio nursery in louisiana used to have a good list of synonyms on there web page but i just looked and there website is no longer on the web.maybe someone has a copy of it

[Nick Costanza]

i found my copy of durio nursery Ficus carica (common fig - fig tree - edible fig) - This is one of the easiest to grow fruit trees in existense. It has been grown since the earliest times for its "fruit". The plant is typically a large shrub from 15 to 20 feet tall and almost as wide. Although not particular as to soil type, figs generally do best in full sun and in a well drained site. They are quite drought tolerant but benefit from supplemental irrigation during dry periods. A native of the Mediterranean region that is hardy in zones 8-10.

Adriatic: Please see VERDONE.

Adriatic Hybrid: Please see CONADRIA and FLANDERS.

ALMA - This heavy bearing, very sweet fig was released from Texas A & M University's breeding program in 1975. It has golden brown skin and very tasty, amber-tan flesh. It has a small eye which prevents spoilage during adverse weather conditions. The plant is a hardy, small tree with a heavy main crop that ripens very late. The medium sized fruit are delicious. Good fresh or dried. Highly resistant to fruit rots. Well adapted to the Southeast but tolerates cooler temperatures. The fruit shape is pyriform with a neck. The leaf has a decurrent base and is unlobed to tri-lobed.

1-gallon @ $20.00

BARNISOTTE [nero / brogiotto nero] - This fig comes to us from Italy. It has large, late ripening, reddish black figs of better quality than those of 'Black Mission'. The rich, fairly sweet flesh is red-amber and of very good to excellent flavor. Unfortunately, the eye is medium sized and open. Very good fresh but poor when stewed as it breaks up when stirred. Needs heat for best taste. Well adapted to the South and Southwest. Fruit shape turbinate-pyriform sometimes oblique with a broad apex. Leaf has a cordate base and 5 lobes with the middle one being spatulate and the others latate.

1-gallon @ $20.00

BEALL - This cultivar was found by W. A. Beall as a chance seedling in California during the 1920's. It has proven to be a good producer of both a breba crop and a main crop. The tree itself is vigorous with a somewhat open growth habit. The skin is dark brown to purplish black in color and the flesh is amber. The large figs are fairly rich with good, sweet flavor and quality. Well adapted for use along the West Coast and in the South. The breba fruit are pyriform with prominent necks while the main crop fruit are oblate to pyriform with short, thick necks. The leaf has a cordate base, 5 lobes, narrow sinuses and crenate margins.

1-gallon @ $20.00

Beer's Black: Please see BORDEAUX.

Bensonhurst Purple: Please see HARDY CHICAGO.

BLACK CELESTE - Identical to 'Celeste' in taste, appearance and ripening season. The only differences are that the skin color is bluish black and that the figs crack less than do those of 'Celeste'.

1-gallon @ $20.00

BLACK JACK - A small, spreading plant with figs that similar to those of 'San Piero'. It produces flattened, large to very large, purple-brown figs with good flavored, pink flesh streaked strawberry. These figs are oblate in shape and are of high quality with sweet and juicy pulp. Fairly hardy and well suited for container growth. Recommended for the South and the Southeast.

1-gallon @ $20.00

Black Mission: Please see FRANCISCANA.

Black Spanish: Please see SAN PIERO.

blanche: Please see MARSEILLES.

BEER'S BLACK - A fine, large, black fig that is a splendid performer. The deep red flesh is sweet and has a distinct flavor. It has a medium sized eye and is excellent either fresh or dried. Fairly hardy and well adapted to the South and Southwest.

1-gallon @ $20.00

Blue Celeste: Please see CELESTE.

brogiotto nero: Please see BARNISOTTE.

BROWN GREEK - Originally from Greece, this is a delicious, large, late bearing fig that extends the season for several weeks. The figs resemble those of 'Brown Turkey' but we like this one better. The flesh is tender and sweet and it is a healthy, vigorous grower.

1-gallon @ $20.00

BROWN TURKEY [eastern brown turkey / english brown turkey / everbearing] - A medium to large sized, bell shaped, purplish brown fig with a small eye and pinkish amber flesh that is very sweet and tender. It is a good, cold hardy cultivar for the South and up the East Coast. It bears heavily and ripens from the middle of the season up until late in the season. Excellent for jams, canning, drying or eating fresh. A handsome, low, bushy plant that is cold hardy to 15 degrees Fahrenheit. It often bears 2 crops per year. The fruit are turbinate to oblique mostly without necks. The leaf has a subcordate base with 3 lobes and a crenate margin. Well adapted also to Hawaii; Queensland, Australia and Saharanpur, India.

1-gallon @ $20.00

BRUNSWICK [magnolia / madonna / dalmatian / brunswig / khurtmani] - A good, medium to large sized tasty fig with attractive, deeply lobed leaves. The skin is reddish brown and the flesh is amber to strawberry colored. It is a vigorous, very hardy (known to survive 5 degrees Fahrenheit without damage) tree with a light breba crop. The rich, sweet flavor is best when the flowers are pollinated. The figs are good fresh or preserved. This is one cultivar that is worth growing for the ornamental value alone. Because the fruit may spoil if it is excessively wet during ripening, this clone is best grown in the Southwest or other areas where it remains dry during this time. Reportedly the finest fig grown in Israel. Fruit oblique-turbinate. The leaf has a calcarate base and lineate lobes.

1-gallon @ $20.00

California Brown Turkey: Please see SAN PIERO.

calimyrna: Please see SARI LOP.

Capri: Please see Ficus carica variety caprificus.

celeste: Please see MALTA.

Celestial: Please see MALTA.

CHAMPAGNE [golden celeste] - A splendid, new, deep yellow to golden fig about the same size and shape as a large 'Celeste' fig. The color is not quite as golden as 'LSU Gold' but the taste and quality are outstanding. The tan to caramel pulp is very sweet and tender. The short necked figs have mostly closed eyes and resists spoilage even during inclement weather. Ripens about one week after 'Malta'. Dr. Ed O'Rourke of Louisiana State University feels that this fig is his best. This outstanding performer is a vigorous, upright grower with palmate leaves having 5 lobes. The central lobe ws spatulate and the basal lobes have slight serrations along the edge. [Malta x capri fig].

1-gallon @ $20.00

chico: Please see VERDONE.

CHINA WHITE - This is a very good, yellow fig of high quality.

1-gallon @ $20.00

coeur: Please see VERTE.

CONADRIA [adriatic hybrid / verdone hybrid] - A choice, large, light greenish yellow to white fig with a thin skin. This pyriform fig has an excellent, rich, sweet flavor with a rose pink flesh that is very good fresh or dried. The eye is small and very tight which keeps it from spoiling during wet weather. The tree is very productive and bears twice annually. This is the first fig to be created by mankind in a deliberate fig breeding program. It is a good white fig for hot areas and was hybridized and introduced by Professor Ira J. Condit in 1957. Outstanding! A fairly hardy, vigorous, long lived tree that is resistant to leaf mosaic. Leaf has cordate base and 5 lobes with the middle one being spatulate. Needs summer heat for good crops. Well adapted in California and the Southeast. [Verdone x capri fig].

1-gallon @ $20.00

dalmatian: Please see BRUNSWICK.

dattero: Please see DOTTATO.

DEANNA - An apparently hardy fig from Dr. Condit's breeding program that produces high quality, medium to large, golden yellow figs with strawberry pulp. Excellent!

fall 2010

Desert king: Please see KING.

DOTTATO [white kadota / kadota / dattero] - A medium sized to large, richly flavored, sweet fig with a greenish yellow skin and amber flesh. This is a choice, all purpose fig that is both vigorous and precocious. It is delicious fresh or dried and is the most commonly canned fig. The quality is excellent, especially in hot, dry weather. The tree is a strong grower which needs little pruning and it bears twice per year. Of historical significance is the fact that this fig was praised by Pliny way back in 23 - 79 A.D. Fruit pyriform. The leaf has a cordate base with 3 to 5 lobes and shallow sinuses. An upright grower that is well adapted to the Southwest and drier areas of the South. Requires heat to develop good flavor and texture. It is currently one of the most important fig cultivars being grown and resists souring.

1-gallon @ $20.00

dottato hybrid: Please see EXCEL.

eastern brown turkey: Please see BROWN TURKEY.

english brown turkey: Please see BROWN TURKEY.

erbeyli: Please see SARI LOP.

EXCEL [kadota hybrid / dottato hybrid] - Bred by Professor Ira J. Condit and introduced in 1975. A very sweet, large, all purpose, greenish yellow fig with a light amber flesh. The superb flavor is excellent and the figs are highly resistant to splitting even during adverse weather. The fruit average about 10 or 11 to the pound. This cultivar is very hardy and well adapted to the West Coast and the Southeast. Very productive with good quality fruit that are oblate to spherical. The leaf has a truncate to subcordate base and 3 lobes with shallow sinuses. This vigorous grower is also well adapted go grow in containers in Canada.

1-gallon @ $20.00

FLANDERS [verdone hybrid] - An excellent, medium sized, long necked, greenish yellow fig with violet stripes and amber-pink flesh. This all purpose fig has a fine, strong flavor and some figs get up to 2 ounces in weight or more. The eye is medium sized but very tight making the figs highly resistant to splitting under adverse conditions. This late ripening, high quality fig is very productive and one of the best for the home gardener. It is also a strong grower. Introduced by Professor Ira. J. Condit in 1975. A good selection for California and the Northwest. Fruit are pyriform with long, slender necks. The leaf has a cordate to calcarate base with 3 to 5 latate lobes. [Verdone x capri fig].

1-gallon @ $20.00

FLORENTINE [italian honey] - A very big, sweet, long bearing, lemon green fig with honey colored flesh. It is excellent during dry harvest seasons but will have some spoilage during exceptionally wet or humid weather. It is very good dried or for eating fresh and when the fruit is "right", it is unsurpassed! A good container variety for the East Coast.

1-gallon @ $20.00

FRANCISCANA [mission / black mission] - Introduced in 1769, this clone makes huge (3 inches long and 2½ inches in diameter), sweet, pear shaped, purple-black, all purpose figs that have pink flesh and are produced over a very long fruiting season. This is an everbearing fig that bears delicious figs from summer to winter. They have a high sugar content and are superb either fresh or dried! The plant usually makes a large tree unless hard freezes force it to grow as a shrub. Excellent by any measure! Also good for canning. Owes its name to the Franciscan missionaries of Father Junipero Serra who planted it at the mission in San Diego, California. The breba fruit are pyriform with prominent, thick necks while the main crop is smaller with more variable necks. The leaf has a calcarate base and 5 latate lobes. This very large tree is well adapted to many areas (California, Brazil, Israel, New Zealand) and is probably the most widely grown fig!

1-gallon @ $20.00

GENOA [white genoa / white naples] - An upright grower with large, yellow-green figs. These are sweet and good either fresh or dried. The quality is improved if it doesn't rain too much during harvest time. This clone produces a light breba crop and a main crop. The breba fruit are sweet but not rich with light strawberry pulp and the main crop is mild with a gelatinous amber pulp tinged strawberry. Breba fruit oblique-pyriform while the main crop is turbinate. Leaf has a subcordate base and 3 to 5 lobes. Poor in warm climates but excellent in California and in the Northwest. Also performs well in Queensland, Australia.

1-gallon @ $20.00

Giant Celeste: Please see TIGER.

Golden Celeste: Please see CHAMPAGNE.

GREEN GREEK - An excellent, medium size, green fig that ripens late in the season. It retains the green color until ripe. The figs are sweet and tasty and have a dark red flesh. A vigorous grower that is fairly hardy. The leaf has a calcarate base, 5 latate lobes and crenate margins.

1-gallon @ $20.00

Green Ischia: Please see VERTE.

grosse verte: Please see VERDONE.

GUILBEAU FRENCH - This large, green to brown fig comes to us from France. The flavorful pink flesh is very sweet. This is a popular cultivar wherever it is grown. The green skin takes on a little brown coloring as it ripens.

1-gallon @ $20.00

HARDY CHICAGO [chicago] - One of the hardiest of figs! Stems are hardy to 10 degrees Fahrenheit and the roots are hardy to 20 degrees below zero. This prolific fig produces medium size fruit of a light brown to violet color with strawberry colored pulp of excellent flavor. These have small eyes and thus seldom spoil. Originally from Sicily and as the name implies, very hardy. Very good fresh, dried or in preserves but breaks up when stewed. Fruit pyriform with long, slender necks. The leaf has a cordate base and 3 to 5 latate lobes. Well adapted to the eastern United States and a very good grower for containers in Canada.

1-gallon @ $20.00

HOLLIER - A superb cultivar of fine, rich flavor from the hybridizing efforts of Dr. Ed O'Rouke of Louisiana State University. It is a very dependable performer with medium sized to large, sweet figs that have an excellent, sweet flavor. This one came out first in a five year taste test. Up to 2 inches in diameter with greenish yellow skin and amber pulp tinged strawberry. Fruit oblate-spheroid. The leaf has a cordate base and 5 latate lobes. Excellent for the Deep South but also does well in colder climates.

1-gallon @ $20.00

honey fig: Please see MALTA.

HUNT - This very cold tolerant clone produces large, long necked, violet-brown figs having amber pulp tinged strawberry over a long fruiting season. This is one of the best figs for home use since it is so dependable and bears a good crop of high quality fruit each year. This is one of our favorites here in Louisiana because it is well adapted to rainy areas such as are found in the South. It has a superb, sweet and rich flavor that reminds us of a larger and improved 'Celeste'. Bred by E. W. Hunt of Eatonton, Georgian in the 1920's. Fruit shape pyriform with short, distinct necks. The leaf has a subcordate base and 3 to 5 lobes.

1-gallon @ $20.00

Improved Celeste: Please see O'ROURKE.

ITALIAN BLACK - Yet another heirloom fig grown by the Becnel family of Belle Chasse, Louisiana for over 100 years. It has almost jet black fruit with deep red pulp.

1-gallon @ $20.00

ITALIAN EVERBEARING - A bush type grower with at least 2 crops of large, prolific bearing, reddish brown figs having sweet, pink flesh. The large and flavorful figs resemble those of 'Brown Turkey' but they are larger. It is a very popular fig in Italy as well as in California. It is excellent either fresh or dried.

1-gallon @ $20.00

Italian Honey Fig: Please see FLORENTINE.

Jelly: Please see MARY LANE.

JURUPA - This is a very large hybrid fig from Dr. Condit's fig breeding program that was selected by Julius Enderud. It is a strong, vigorous grower with huge, pyriform figs up to 3 ounces each (5 or 6 to the pound). The skin is green and the flesh is amber tinged strawberry. It has an excellent flavor with both a good breba crop and a fine main crop. The medium sized eye is closed. The breba fruit are very large while the main crop fruit are slightly smaller, both with short necks. The leaf has a subcordate to cordate and 3 to 5 latate lobes.

1-gallon @ $20.00

K-7-11 - A large, delicious, sweet, yellow-green fig with yellow flesh said to be of Professor Ira. Condit's breeding program.

1-gallon @ $20.00

Kadota: Please see DOTTATO.

khurtmani: Please see BRUNSWICK.

KING [desert king / white king] - A large, sweet, delicious, greenish yellow fig with rich, reddish purple flesh. This is a San Pedro type cultivar with a very good breba crop (first crop). The second crop is not as good in quality as the first. The pulp is sweet and delicious either fresh or dried. This particular cultivar should not be pruned severely. It is a fairly hardy fig that does very well in areas where summers are cool such as the Northwest as well as cooler areas of the South. Fruit shape is pyriform to oblique. The leaf has a subcordate base and 3 to 5 lobes with shallow sinuses. This highly vigorous tree supposedly originated in Madera, California around 1920. One of the best for container growing in Canada.

1-gallon @ $20.00

la perpetuelle: Please see SAN PIERO.

lee's perpetual: Please see SAN PIERO.

lemon: Please see MARSEILLES.

Lob Injir: Please see SARI LOP.

LSU EVERBEARING - A choice, medium sized to large, sweet, yellow-green fig with white to amber flesh of high quality. It bears fruit from July through the summer and into the fall here in Louisiana. The quality is increased when ripening occurs during dry weather. This very fine quality fig was hybridized by Dr. Ed O'Rourke of Louisiana State University.

1-gallon @ $20.00

LSU GOLD - This is one of the very best, hybrid figs from Dr. Ed O'Rouke of Louisiana State University. It is a huge, flattened, bright golden fig up to 1¾ inches in diameter having a drop of "honey" at the small eye. The amber flesh is tender and exceptionally sweet. It is a vigorous grower and makes a fig at every leaf axil. It has a small, slightly open eye but resists splitting and souring. The superb quality improves during a dry season. Leaf has a cordate base and 3 to 5 latate lobes. Does well from Louisiana east to Florida and north to North Carolina and probably elsewhere.

1-gallon @ $20.00

LSU PURPLE - Released in 1991, this fine, red to dark purple fig is one of the most outstanding figs developed by Dr. Ed O'Rourke's 15 year breeding and evaluation program at Louisiana State University. The flavor is excellent and mild and the sugar content is high. It has a closed eye and resists spoilage. The flesh is light amber to light, strawberry red. The tree is a very vigorous, upright grower. It is a very vigorous grower and more hardy than most figs. Five year old trees may produce 3 distinct crops each year. 'LSU Purple' is highly resistant to leaf diseases and nematodes. Also, it had handsome, large, dark green, glossy leaves. The fruit are about 2 to 2½ inches long and run about 20 to the pound. Very reliable and excellent for use in containers. Great for the Gulf Coast and up the East Coast up through Virginia. The leaf has a calcarate base and 5 lobes with the central one being spatulate and the others being latate. [Hunt x capri fig].

1-gallon @ $20.00

Madonna: Please see BRUNSWICK.

Magnolia: Please see BRUNSWICK.

MALTA [ celeste / sugar fig / blue celeste / tennessee mountain fig / celestial / honey fig] - A widely planted, sweet, light brown to violet-brown, very cold hardy fig that is excellent for eating fresh, dried or in preserves. Not good for stews because it breaks up. This is the most popular cultivar in southern Louisiana and a very dependable producer of high quality, small to medium sized figs even in unfavorable weather due to its small, tightly closed eye. The very sweet flesh has a rich, honey like flavor and is reddish amber in color. Well adapted to the South and East Coast but disappointing for use along the West Coast and in the Southwest. Fruit pyriform with tapering neck. The leaf has a subcordate base, 3 to 5 lobes and crenate margins. Excellent for container culture in Canada.

3-gallon @ $20.00

MARSEILLES [lemon / lattarula / white marseille / blanche] - A fairly hardy, large, lemon colored, thin skinned fig with tender, white to light amber flesh. They are very sweet and have a high sugar content. An old, reliable variety, this fig is excellent in all respects and a favorite of those who grow it. Produces a small breba crop. The fruit are turbinate with or without short necks. They have very small but open eyes and will sour or split if watered too much while ripe. The leaf has a subcordate base, 3 to 5 lobes and a crenate margin. This slow growing, dense tree is well adapted to the South.

1-gallon @ $20.00

MARY LANE [jelly / seedless] - A medium to large, seedless, greenish yelllow fig originally from California with very juicy, very sweet, amber colored flesh. It fills out well and has an excellent flavor. This is an outstanding, high quality fig with the exception that it will possibly split during adverse weather conditions. Leaf has truncate to subcordate base, 0 to 3 lobes and a coarsely serrate margin. Well adapted to California, the Northwest, the Southeast and should be tried elsewhere.

1-gallon @ $20.00

Mission: Please see FRANCISCANA.

NARDINE - This is one of Dr. Condit's excellent hybrids. It is a late season bearer and it extends the season 2 or 3 weeks. The very large, yellow figs are as large as those of 'Black Mission' and have good flavor. This is a top quality fig with sweet, tender flesh.

1-gallon @ $20.00

natalino: Please see VERNINO.

NATIVE BLACK - Possibly originally from Italy, this heirloom fig has been grown on the Becnel family farm in Belle Chasse, Louisiana for over 100 years. It produces very dark, purple-black skinned figs with dark red pulp. It is the Becnel's second favorite fig next to 'Smith'.

1-gallon @ $20.00

nebian: Please see VERDONE.

NEGRONNE [bordeaux / petite negri /violette de bordeaux] - This fairly hardy cultivar produces large, almost black fruit with very deep red pulp. The flavor is rich and agreeable. Breba fruit are pyriform with thick, tapering necks while the main crop fruit are spherical or pyriform to obobate often without necks. The eye is medium sized. Excellent fresh or dried but probably needs heat to develop the best flavor. The leaf has a truncate to subcordate base with the middle lobe being spatulate and the others latate. Well adapted to the South and Southwest. This dwarf and prolific cultivar is reported to be originally from Spain and is very cold hardy. It is also considered by some to be the very best tasting fig around.

fall 2010

nero: Please see BARNISOTTE.

O'ROURKE [improved celeste] - This recent LSU release hybridized by Ed O'Rourke produces medium sized, light brown figs with amber pulp having a red center. These figs have long necks and partially closed eyes. The tree is a vigorous, upright grower with palmate leaves having 5 to 7 lobes. The central lobe is spatulate and the leaves have slightly tooted margins. This particular cultivar ripens about one week later than 'Malta'. [Malta x capri fig].

1-gallon @ $20.00

OSBORN PROLIFIC [rust / osborne] - A medium-large, greenish purple to violet-brown fig with amber to strawberry colored flesh. It is a heavy and prolific bearer of rich and flavorful figs that are usually used for fresh consumption. They possess a sweet, rich flavor. Fairly hardy and well adapted to all fig growing areas. The late ripening fruit are pyriform with variable necks. Leaf has truncate to shallowly cordate base, 5 lobes and serrated upper margins. This upright grower does best in the Pacific Northwest.

1-gallon @ $20.00

PANACHEE [tiger / variegato] - A medium sized, sweet fig with dark green and yellow stripes and strawberry red flesh. This hypodermal, sectorial chimera is often grown as a conversation piece. In addition to the striped figs, the young shoots often exhibit striations of variegation on the twigs. This fig is both ornamental and functional. Of excellent flavor on the West Coast but not so great flavorwise in the South. Fruit shape pyriform with a prominent neck. Leaf has calcarate base, 3 to 5 latate lobes and crenate margins.

1-gallon @ $20.00

Pasquale: Please see VERNINO.

PETER'S HONEY - Produces medium sized, lemon yellow figs with very sweet tasting pulp. Good for pot culture.

1-gallon @ $20.00

Rust: Please see OSBORN PROLIFIC.

SAL'S - A heavy producer of medium sized, black skinned figs with strawberry colored flesh of good to excellent flavor. A hardy, vigorous grower that does great in the Northeast and along the Gulf Coast. Originated with the DiPaolas family of Belleclare Nursery of Plainview, Long Island. Hardy to 15 degrees Fahrenheit.

SAN PIERO [california brown turkey / black spanish / la perpetuelle / lee's perpetual / san pedro / thompson's improved brown turkey ] - Originally from Spain, this is an extremely hardy, vigorous, fast growing, small tree. It produces two crops of mahogany figs which have a very sweet, rich flavor. They are very large with juicy, red flesh and are best if eaten fresh. The breba fruit are oblique-pyriform and sometimes elongated while the main crop fruit are obobate to oblique-pyriform with variable necks. These fruit are all typically flattened at the eye end. The eye is large and unfortunately, open. The leaf has a calcarate base with lyrate lobes and a crenate margin. This clone is well adapted to California and Australia.

1-gallon @ $20.00

SARI LOP [calimyrna / erbeyli / lop injir] - A very large and delicious, smyrna type, yellow fig with amber flesh possessing a rich, nutty flavor. It has been grown in Turkey for many centuries and was brought to California in 1886. A large, sweet fig that is good to eat out of hand as well as for drying. Not a practical choice for growing in the South because of its large, open eye and the fact that it needs pollination. The most important commercial fig grown in California. Fruit oblate-spherical. The leaf base is cordate with 5 spatulate lobes.

1-gallon @ $20.00

SCHAR AMBER - A fairly sweet, large, brown fig with amber flesh. The original tree was found in an Italian neighborhood in front of an abandoned house. It grows well without winter protection and with no care. A "heavy cropper" with a huge breba crop and a huge main crop. Good for use along the East Coast.

1-gallon @ $20.00

SCHAR ISRAEL - This is a strong growing clone originally from Israel. It is slightly tender but can freeze back and still produce a good crop of large figs. The skin is reddish purple and the flesh is purple and of high quality.

Sold out.

SCHAR ITALIAN - This is a very large, purple skinned fig brought over from the Adriatic Region around 1900. The high quality, red flesh is very sweet and tender. It grows in the Washington DC area without winter protection. It has a fair breba crop and a large main crop.

1-gallon @ $20.00

SCOTT'S BLACK - An older Louisiana State University release that produces large, black figs having red pulp late in the season.



seedless: Please see MARY LANE.

SMITH - A superior, old fig cultivar that has been in the Becnel family for over 100 years. It is a big, flattened, yellow fig with brown shading. The color of the flesh is a deep red and it has a drop of honey at the eye. The quality of this exceptionally sweet fig is outstanding. It is considered "the best fig" by those who know and grow it in the parishes close to the mouth of the Mississippi river.

Sold out.

strawberry: Please see VERDINO.

sugar fig: Please see MALTA.

TENA - Bred by Dr. Ira Condit, and realeased in 1975, this is the first hybrid to have 'Calimyrna' (Sari Lop) on both sides of its pedigree. The figs are medium sized to large with a greenish yellow skin and a white to light strawberry flesh. The eye is very tight and this helps prevent spoilage during unfavorable weather. It has a very sweet, excellent flavor when fresh or dried. This is one of the very best new figs is rather hardy and it produces heavy crops. Widely adapted but best in hot, dry areas. Fruit shape oblate with small to no neck. Leaf has truncate to decurrent base, 3 to 5 lobes with the central lobe elongated and crenate margins. This strong, dense grower is cold hardy to 7 degrees Fahrenheit and does well on the West Coast.

1-gallon @ $20.00

TEXAS BA-1 [red gold] - Of unknown origin, this plant was found at an abandoned Texas A & M test field where the 'Alma' figs were being evaluated. The fruit are medium sized with a greenish yellow skin, yellow flesh and strawberry pulp. It produces good quality fruit of sweet, somewhat rich flavor and is ideal for growing along the Gulf Coast. These fruit are pyrate with necks and have a small, open eye that is typically plugged with honeydew. The leaf has a calcarate base and 5 lobes with the central lobe being spatulate.

fall 2010

TEXAS EVERBEARING - A good, large, sweet, brownish yellow, bell shaped fig with a long fruiting season. The flesh is strawberry colored and delicious. It bears at an early age and gives a good crop even in cool, short summer areas such as the West Coast. The second crop matures early and is even heavier than the first. The tree is very hardy and even if frozen to the ground, it will usually bear on the new sprouts that same year. Very similar to 'Brown Turkey' but not quite the same (fruit appear larger and leaf had cordate base and 5 latate lobes).

1-gallon @ $20.00

thompson's everbearing: Please see SAN PIERO.

TIGER [lsu giant celeste] - This recent Louisiana State University release from Dr. Ed O'Rourke's breeding program produces large, brown figs with short necks and partially closed eyes. The pulp is yellow to gold. The figs ripen about 1 week later than 'Malta'. The tree is vigorous with a spreading habit and has large, palmate leaves with 5 to 7 lobes. The middle lobe is spatulate and the margins are slightly toothed. [Malta x capri fig].

tiger: Please see PANACHEE.

TROJANO - A highly recommended cultivar that produces medium sized, bright yellow figs with pulp of a sweet, "honeyed" taste.

fall 2010

variegato: Please see PANACHEE.

verdale: Please see VERTE.

VERDONE [adriatic /gross verte / chico / strawberry / nebian / white adriatic] - This is one of the better known figs of antiquity. Originally from central Italy, it was first brought to the United States in 1865. At the time, it was to become the leading variety for commercial, dried fig production. Also good fresh and for jams. Since then, it has been surpassed by 'Calimyrna'. It has large sized, sweet, green to green-yellow skinned figs which have a light strawberry pulp of very fine flavor. Fairly hardy and well adapted to the Northwest but not so great in the South. Small to no breba crop. The fruit are turbinate with a small to no neck. The leaf base is subcordate to truncate usually with 5 lobes with the center lobe being spatulate. This large, vigorous tree performs well in Queensland, Australia.

1-gallon @ $20.00

verdone hybrid: Please see CONADRIA and FLANDERS.

VERNINO [pasquale / natalino] - A small, dark purplish black fig with dark, strawberry colored flesh. It has good breba crop and the main crop ripens very late in the season. Unfortunately, the fruit are sometimes caught by early frosts in cooler areas. It is excellent either fresh or dried and has a delicious, sweet and rich flavor. It is a heavy bearer. Fruit shape oblate-spherical to pyriform with a short, thick neck. Leaf has truncate to subcorate base and 5 lobes.

1-gallon @ $20.00

VERTE [green ischia / coeur / ischia green / verdale] - An excellent, medium sized, sweet, green to greenish yellow, thin skinned fig with red flesh that resembles a strawberry when peeled. These are especially attractive when used in a fruit salad. It is recommended for areas with short summers. This cultivar offers much to the home gardener. It is small in ultimate size, so even small yards can contain one without difficulty. It bears from mid-season till late in the season to extend the harvest and the quality is excellent. The figs possess a fine, excellent flavor either fresh or dried. Due to its fairly well closed, small eye, they are resistant to spoilage by either weather or insects. Fruit shape oblate to spherical. Leaf has broadly subcordate to truncate base and 3 lobes. Originally from Spain, this clone is good for planting along the East Coast. It makes a small tree when mature and is one of the best to grow in containers in Canada.

fall 2010

violette de bordeaux: Please see NEGRONNE.

White Adriatic: Please see VERDONE.

WHITE EVERBEARING - A very sweet, medium sized to large, white fig of excellent quality. Unfavorable weather will sometimes cause splitting and spoilage but during dry harvest seasons, the flavor is superb.

Sold out.

White Genoa: Please see GENOA.

White Kadota: Please see DOTTATO.

white king: Please see KING.

White Marseilles: Please see MARSEILLES.

white naples: Please see GENOA.

Ficus carica variety caprificus (male fig - pollinator fig) - The figs are full of pollen and pollinate other figs if the seed wasp is present and sometimes even if it is not. The figs dry up and fall off without making a mess. It makes a good tree for those who like the fig's foliage but don't care for the figs.

[jmrtsus]

Good info but many errors........

[Martian]

Wow $20 for a one gallon

[Sod]

Some of that info seems questionable. I’m not sure why they’re saying any late varieties are well suited for the PNW.

[TheBigFatFig]

I was reading up about Sultane aka Noire de Bellone and found and old Comment where someone found the fig and tree to be indistinguishable from Malta Black.

Any experiences here if so pls share climate data too has some strong reports through desert heat I wonder if either of those do well in colder and cooler climates

[Shaft]

Because some people are resistant to combining synonyms. They consider it bad and evil. Some of them consider it so because of financial incentives: if you call something Vasilika Sika, but also Sister Madeline's Green, you can sell one customer the same fig twice. Others have their own reasons, which I don't really understand.

[TheBigFatFig]

I believe in keeping labels but also free information sharing anyone can say these two are alike, and anyone can say no I saw a difference in this climate or that ...

I think we get the feelings that many sellers are small minded and want to keep an open game going to sell multiple varieties but really there's enough business for everyone who wants it.

To think badly about alot of sellers hinders the ability to be a good market participant it has always been easy to share Information and its not necessarily for or against the older styled market structure to do so...

The structure is essentially based on the knowledge level and psychological state of the audience or buying public...everyone starting off with excitement could potentially end up with duplicate figs bless their hearts and their tummies

There is a market established by old information with new sectors that form occasionally based on circumstance and new information can have the effect. Occasionally a new charisma joins the sway and it means this many hundred or thousand more want figs during the season and some percentage will maintain their trees

Considering the potential for World Wars and annual currency value reductions at over a Trillion per year, figs look like a good investment, two even better especially if they have drying capability ... tolerant resistant fast, big, fat sweet, early, yummy

We might be the survivors but that's just a way to look at it

[Shaft]

TheBigFatFig Just a moment ago I wrote that I think you and I think similarly. This confirms it.

TBH, I've heard VDB and Negronne are the same, but if there is a difference it's at production time. Someone told me Negronne produces slightly sooner; another person told me VDB does. I really don't care. If one starts sooner, then the other likely finishes later. Now instead of 3 weeks of production I get 4, maybe 5? Hot damn! Count me in.

[TheBigFatFig]

There is a thread on here about a larger vs smaller Negronne... with decent photos. The larger one does not stand up to heat whereas VDB is know for doing well in hotter places so at least those two are different. The poster showed a photo of a thermometer at 104f and the figs were falling apart I think were the words...

I only have small never fruited plants but I wonder if I have Petite Negri. I've got a Cravens grafted to Vdb in something like a 7 gallon and it made a branch over one year that maybe got to 6 inches long I call it tyrannosaurus fig... maybe it's the real Petite Negra I've seen them listed ad being synonymous

[Shaft]

davej Possible synonyms are different than confirmed synonyms. No where on FigDB do you see declarations saying that something is 100% a match. Could it be cleaned up? Yes. How? We're still figuring that out. A lack of DNA testing is an issue. How would you propose?

[Shaft]

Best Practices
If you receive a tree, say it's from me (Malcolm Heath). Say it's Brown Turkey. Don't label it Brown Turkey. Label it Brown Turkey-MH. I think this would help solve a lot of issues, because it allows folks to keep track of the original source. It establishes a trail. The BT-MH I sold you would be traced back to me, which let's say I got it from Harvey, I would have it labeled BT-HC. He got his from somewhere else, and so on. This would help, in goodfriendmike's predicament ("We can guess all day. But keep the names they were labeled with when you bought them. I believe Alma and Holy Smokes is the same. But it has not been genetically tested. Until then my Holy Smokes will stay Holy Smokes only. No need to add names or combine names with out proof. It confuses an already confusing issue even more") as it would allow you to combine those names if you so wished, and if you had good notes.

Let's say I wanted to combine those two names for synonymity's sake. HS-ED might become Alma-ED. If you have a different Alma you tested it against from Harvey, that would be labeled Alma-HC. In your notes, you will always have Holy Smokes listed as what Alma-ED was, and you can differentiate between your two trees. If someone wanted "Holy Smokes" you could then sell them Holy Smokes, while verbally acknowledging that it's probably just a fancy Alma. I don't see many issues with this, I see that it solves most of the problems people list when it comes to synonyms, and it's a practice I follow. I think in order to be an ethical seller you have to acknowledge both sides of this issue -- you might be a predator selling the same fig to the same customer 2-3x, but if you at least tell them hey there's a chance this is the same as that other fig I sold you... that's ethics. At that point it's up to the customers. It's possible to both maintain the original name of the variety (through notes) while acknowledging this is probably the same tree as this other one. I believe that my personal, anecdotal testing is proof enough until DNA testing can prove a match, instead of only proving that two figs aren't the same.

[Figology]

I was writing full names on the pot. Example: Wills or Harvey. I sometimes had two sources so it made sense to differentiate sources, at least in my collection. I’m sure buyers would want to know that too. The earliest known source should be sufficient.

[Shaft]

Figology yeah I use full name in my notes. I also write the earliest known source in the notes, but I use the initials of the person I got it from directly when I label it BT-HC (on the blue plastic tag I tie around a branch on the tree)... because let's say Harvey messed up (I know he never does so that's why he's my example) and sends me a Verte cutting instead of a BT. Or maybe it's a different seller, and they give me a source that turns out to not be quite right. Maybe he traded with this person A, killed that one, bought it from person B, and accidentally told me person A was his source. It gives me a direct chain, and the notes provide the rest. The initials are because I can't always fit the entire name on the tag! I'm putting all my trees in ground this year and last year, so labeling the pot isn't much of an option. I need to find a new way to tag my trees though. I have it written on a few branches in white paint pen. I have it labeled on one of those folding plastic tags like this https://www.amazon.com/MR-LABEL-Plas...gion_id=674469 but I want one more just in case. Call me paranoid, but I lost a lot of tags so far -- maybe 10-15 trees are now unknowns that shouldn't be!

It makes sense in my collection, not only because I have different cuttings from different sources (for example, Lou Monti's stuff seems superior in every way to other trees I'm growing. I'm thinking of replacing my Celeste I got from someone in the community with Lou's because his is just performing better. I know that in theory every Celeste is supposed to be the same, but I'm not sure I buy into that theory any more. Some seem better than others) but also because I have unknowns that I want to trial. For example. Hodges Honey Unk I suspect is Peter's Honey. Others say it may be Alma. Well, I'm lucky enough to have all three varieties, so I'm trying to grow them in ground under the exact same conditions. It helps to know that your comparison material -- the case of HHU, the Peter's Honey and the Alma -- are from trusted sources.

[Shaft]

Noah Mercy lol

[cybercop]

davej Possible synonyms are different than confirmed synonyms. No where on FigDB do you see declarations saying that something is 100% a match. Could it be cleaned up? Yes. How? We're still figuring that out. A lack of DNA testing is an issue. How would you propose?

In this particular case, there is no need for a DNA test. The difference between the shape of the fruit between the two varieties is very large. Bellona (Noir de Nice) has an elongated fruit, similar in shape to that of Black Mission/Albacore and Noir de Caromb. Noir de Bellonе (Sultanе) has much rounder fruits. The difference is noticeable at first glance. Also the Noir de Nice variety is Unifere and the Sultane variety is Bifere.

Bellona : https://scontent.fvar1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...0w&oe=63DAE003

Noire de Bellone (Sultane) : https://i.postimg.cc/qqn8X6Qv/Sultane-5.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/sDBCWM7B/Sultane-7.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/KYYtJhNH/Sultane-3.jpg

[jmrtsus]

TheBigFatFig ; The Malta and Celeste have always been the same. LSU did not create the Celeste it was found to be the same as Malta starting in 1850 and repeated by many others. LSU used it as the mother fig for some of their crosses. Although many LSU Celeste crosses can be said to be "improved Celeste figs" one unofficial fig attributed to LSU is called "Improved Celeste". It is a bigger better Celeste.

From Condit's work 1955, pg. 447

Malta (syns. Small Brown, Celeste, Celestial, Sugar, Blue Celeste, Celeste Violette).
Described as Malta by Miller (1768), Hanbury (1770), Forsyth (1803), Brookshaw (1812,
with color plate), Green (1824), George Lindley (1831), Holley (1854), M’Intosh (1855),
Dochnahl (1855), and by Bunyard and Thomas (1904). Described as Celeste by Affleck
(1850, 1852, 1854), White (1868), Massey (1893), Burnette (1894), Eisen (1885, 1897,
1901*),8 Earle (1900), Price and White (1902*), Starnes (1903*), Starnes and Monroe
(1907), Anon. (1908), Van Velzer (1909*), Reimer (1910*), Potts (1917), Gould (1919*),
Hume (1915*), W. S. Anderson (1924-1928), Mowry and Weber (1925), Woodroof and
Bailey (1931*), Stansel and Wyche (1932), Woodard (1938, 1940), Ashley (1940), and
Condit (1941a*, 1947*).

[Shaft]

TheBigFatFig yeah John (@jmrtsus) is right. Malta and Celeste are the same. Celeste didn't come out of LSU, but Celeste was the star mother of LSU's breeding program. Most LSU varieties derive from Celeste. Malta Black IDT is the same as Malta, I believe it's just a name thing but I could be wrong.

[TheBigFatFig]

MB figs seem like they are larger than Celeste especially in Figbid photos...but I haven't seen a size legend... maybe the same or maybe Bellclaire had a different MB

[Shaft]

cybercop I invite you to report any errors you find to the FigDB staff using one of the buttons circled in red, on this variety or any others.

[cybercop]

cybercop I invite you to report any errors you find to the FigDB staff using one of the buttons circled in red, on this variety or any others.

When you write a comment with superlatives, it gets published. I have several similar comments. I tried to add a comment criticizing the description of the Kadota variety, but it was not published. I also tried to add a new variety but it was not published either.

[Shaft]

What's your name on the website, is it cybercop same as here? I'll go see if I can find your comments. Normally we try to vet each claim, and if we cannot, it hits the backlog.

[Shaft]

Accepted your edits.

[Rigo007]

I wish I had more time and could do it all at once but my friend, it's harder than many think. Your comment and everything you've submitted is there and we will get to it.

As for the site itself, it's hard to please everyone. We just want it as accurate as possible by adding what is found (sources) and make it easier for everyone to find all the info in one place.

It will never be perfect and help is always appreciated. It's a lot of work and it should be appreciated.

[longcake]

Listing Synonyms would be much appreciated.
Everyone will want to unify the varieties that are considered to be the same into one.

One concern, however, should be when it is a similar but different variety.

Suppose A and B are very similar and someone has both of them. Suppose that person has heard that the two are the same and has mixed them up.
The person who receives cuttings or seedlings from that person with the name 'A really B' or 'B really A' will not be able to take them back if they are later found to be different.

Well, if they say it doesn't matter either way because they are so similar...