Making and Using SIPs for Fig Culture.

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SIPs (Sub-Irrigated Planters) can be constructed from almost any container. More than a decade ago my first exposure to SIPs and the 5 gallon bucket SIPs was the earth Box and "Earth Box Clone" (Homemade Earth Box SIPs), http://www.postoilsolutions.org/documents/Earthbox.pdf

There are several plans and videos of their construction and use, a few are listed below;
http://earthbox.com/earthbox-systems.html (SIP diagram)
http://earthbox.com/earthbox-pdf/EB-...IONS_NEW-2.pdf (Assembly and Planting instructions)
http://earthbox.com/approved-for-earthbox (Tested/Approved Commercial Potting mixes)
http://earthbox.com/videos (videos)
http://www.instructables.com/id/how-...-box/?ALLSTEPS (Earth box Clone SIP)
http://www.insideurbangreen.org/earthtainer/ (Earth box Clone SIP)


For fig culture 5 gallon buckets, 25 gallon planters, 30 gallon and 55 gallon barrels have been modified for use as sips.

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F. Bennett , First pic - May 7th... Second pic -July 16th... 70 days.

Bills Figs, 4 years old or older trees have between 200 and 300 figs on them during a growing season.

There are several plans and videos of their construction and use, a few are listed below;
https://www.flickr.com/photos/plant-...57626178492637 (1/2 barrel SIPs)
http://figs4fun.com/bills_figs.html (Bill's Figs SIPs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRfetf4u5Cw (Bill's Figs Video)
http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=6256837 (5 gallon SIP)
http://alaskagrowbuckets.com/ (simple 5 gallon SIP)
http://www.globalbuckets.org/ (2 - 5 gallon bucket SIP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w96SAjpnlGY (30 and 55 gallon Barrel SIPs)
https://youtu.be/wGF72sOwgJI ( 1/2 - 55 gallon Barrel SIPs)
https://youtu.be/VPxj8e2r7H0 ( 1/2 - 55 gallon Barrel SIPs with air pruning)

[jmaler Fig Phenom Find all posts View Profile Close jmaler]

Great! What come to mind here is you start rooted cuttings in 5gal and then at some point pot up to 25gal.

Do you mix water soluable fert with the reservoir water?

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You could add water soluble fertilizer to the reservoir for an added boost or initially to "water" the mix get the plant growing, but usually fertilizers are added to the potting mix, http://figs4fun.com/bills_figs.html and http://earthbox.com/earthbox-pdf/EB-...IONS_NEW-2.pdf

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I saw Bills "SIP's" a couple years ago and modified the application slightly to accommidate some nicer looking pots for the front porch. Using the offset from the bottom method with a standard, large glazed ceramic pot and calculating the offset to the burlap just above the level of a large plastic drip pan. It allows me the opportunity to water them each morning on the porch with minimal overflow and a nice looking pot to boot. keeps the "family" happy.

Also, I've taken 4 gallon square pvc pots and modified them to accomidate fig sip's....seem to be working nicely with a couple in their second year....the squares pack nicely together when in the shade structure with no wasted space. they hold a little over 2 gallons of liquid and are watered with 1 1/2" pvc risers.

I'm using a hydro food blend to keep them happy....alls well so far. I have a couple covered with black plastic and the remainder have no covers.

Costco has the 1/2 barrel looking tubs periodically for about $18.00...my thanks to Bill for that lead.

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Thanks Pete for compiling all this great information!

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You're welcome.

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Just an update of my ongoing SIP fabrication. Currently have over 30 barrels cut, but only have 5 - 30 gallon 1/2 barrel SIPs completed. Each SIP requires over 12 Gallons of potting mix, so I've instead focused on bare rooting and up-potting existing 1 and 5 gallon trees.

The photos are of the fabrication platform (pallet with 1/3 sheet of plywood) and the cutting bench (firewood rack) used to measure and cut the barrels. The measuring guide (Kitty Litter container) is the correct height for both the blue 30 gallon barrels (highest level) and the standard white 30 gallon barrels (lowest level).

The Sawzall with a metal cutting blade makes quick and easy work of cutting the barrels.

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bkkchris ,

I no longer use the larger 15 and 25 gallon 1/2 barrel SIPs, they're too large and heavy to move around and over winter.
I still use the Spun Landscape Fabric and the smaller 5 gallon Easy / Colander SIPs.

The "Aeration Platform" formed by the Perforated Pipe and Spun Landscape Fabric is not for air pruning the roots its to create an air gap between the reservoir and potting mix for aeration.
The roots will and should grow down into the reservoir.

You do not need to add extra holes in the side of the containers, Spun Landscape Fabric serves as an effective aeration / air pruning Liner in standard pots or SIPs, between the container wall and potting mix.
AKA Pot Pruner... https://treebag.com/potprunerdifference/

Regular pots work well when used with an irrigation schedule and or an irrigation system.

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AscPete Thanks Pete. Good to know that you don’t bother with the holes on the sides of the pots anymore. I’ve just been lining the insides of my pots with the landscape fabric as well and seems to help - do you have a brand of spun fabric you like?

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bkkchris ,

You're welcome.
Don't know the brand of Spun Landscape Fabric, but it should be loose / 'fluffy' not compressed, purchased at HD or LoWs.

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Thank you Pete for the detail illustration on these! Man I can’t thank you enough! I’m still repotting 30 or so of my container trees using those 55g barrels. I was wondering how your setup was designed for cutting barrels. Using Bill’s method for SIPs really does save a lot of time on the back end! The prep work is what’s so hard and time consuming. I still have not perfected a method for marking my barrels. I need to make a jig that holes one barrel--looking at your setup gives me an idea!

Today, I just drilled a hole inside my wooden 2x4 shelf , stick a sharpie inside and placed the barrel on a lazy susan and twirled the barrel around. It’s pretty straight but I don’t like it.

I cut my barrel with a SawMaxx. The only downside to using a SawMaxx is, the darn thing gets extremely hot in no time. But it cuts the barrel like cutting hot butter. I'll post some pictures of my set when I'm done. thanks again!

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You're welcome.
Once I have all the bugs worked out of the Pot Mover Platform Dolly I'll post better pictures of it with a build sequence. Its surprisingly easy and fast, no lifting. In use its very similar to this pot mover, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns2o...=youtu.be&t=21

[rusty hooks]

I can't wait to see that Pete....that's the item that's been holding me back...or MY BACK....at 70, with a bad back, the last thing I want to do is throw it out again. That mini fork lift is just the ticket....now on to securing some good tires.

Thanks so much...

WOW.....354 pounds sterling.......maybe it's silver plated...time to get out the welder

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Pete, do roots grow in the landscape drain pipe and eventually clog the system? I assume there is weep hole drilled in the side of the pot at or near the top of the drain pipe. Is soil poured on top of drain pipe for wicking?

I priced 30 gal drums at a local feed store @ $20 ea. Is that about what you are having to pay?

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Ross,
Thats also one of the reasons that I haven't been in a rush to switch to larger containers. I'm currently able to man handle the half barrels but realize that this will not always the case. My original Dolly design was based on the alumacart (4 wheel), http://alumacart.net/the-alumacart-a...ons-and-carts/ , but with the front drive / pivot wheels placed at exact center of platform for a shallower loading ramp angle. Removing the two rear wheels actually made the dolly / cart easier to load and handle. The total material cost of the prototype is less than $60.00, but I'm still working out a simpler handle configuration. The 2 wheels are 10" diameter and cost $6.00 each from Harbor Freight.



Jerry,
Yes roots will eventually grow down into the "Reservoir", but the fig trees should be root pruned every 2 - 3 years anyway. Yes most SIP designs have an overflow to keep the water level below the bottom of the planter (aeration platform). Potting mix (not soil) is placed on spun landscape fabric that is used to form the Aeration Platform (bottom of the planter).
I was able to get all my plastic barrels for free, over 4 dozen of the pictured blue barrels and almost 4 dozen assorted white 30 and 55 gallon barrels. The blue barrels had a salt solution and the white barrels had various soap and Glycol solutions. They are all #2 HDPE, its inert and non porous, so they are easily rinsed clear then washed with soap and water.

They are sometime available at Car Washes and on sites like Craigslist.

[rusty hooks]

heres a better look at the underside and adjustability mechanics of the mover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k4duz4Izn0

I have the technology available to accomplish this task....the time is another issue

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Pete, you are not placing 1/2 the barrel inside the other 1f2 to form the planter on the landscape drain pipe but rather using the fabric to seperate potting mix from water in the reservoir? The weight of the potting mix pushes the fabric into the water to start the wicking action, right?

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Jerry,
I am only using 1/2 barrel per SIP. The drain pipe forms both the Reservoir and the support of the Aeration Platform. A soil wick is placed in the open spaces at the center of the reservoir. The wick is contained by a landscape fabric "pocket". The links in the Opening Post (OP) has several videos on the construction of barrel SIPs and the videos of Earth boxes has all the info on how they actually work. I posted my 30 gallon barrel SIP build last year, http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox....1&postcount=25 but have revised it to reduce the planter size by ~ 10 gallons (to the current 1/2 barrels SIPs) instead of only 1 SIP per barrel there are now 2 per barrel.


Ross,
The website has some of the videos,http://www.fresh-group.com/heavy-pot-mover/4587790387 which includes that one, but the reason for my design approach was to utilize readily available materials and minimum specialized skills to fabricate this dolly. It definitely would be easier to fabricate with a welder, 3/4" or 1-1/2 welded angle iron frame for the plywood or steel platform, angle iron brackets for the axle mounts, 5/8" or 3/4" axle and wheels and a welded handle since it really doesn't need to be as "adjustable" as the commercial model. BTW the 24" by 36" size is a 'Standard' size and can also transport up to six 5 gallon buckets or six 7 gallon nursery Pots.

As I mentioned in another topic the design is actually an existing commercially available product, A Low Tilt Bed Nursery Cart, http://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-ho...0391#post20391. The original non adjustable Heavy Pot Mover was this (pictured) design, which would be much easier (simpler) to fabricate with a welder.

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Ross,
Here's a 2009 video of the fixed platform Heavy Pot Mover in action, https://youtu.be/FxZzVXsRZOA?t=132
and instead of using force to tilt the platform level (like a regular hand truck) they have revised the loading to "walking" the pot to the center line above the wheels in all the newer videos, it works in actual practice and reduces the effort to load the pots on to the platform. Also the diamond plate deck surface would interfere with the pot sliding on and off the the platform.

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The pot mover designs look interesting.
Can you work on an elevator next so I can get pots bigger that 5g SIPs up and down my basement steps every spring and fall?

[AscPete]

Here's one, http://www.ameriglide.com/Vertical-Platform-Lifts.htm
But a hole in the floor with a platform rigged to a snatch block and pulleys may also work.

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Pete, one has to consider moving a large pot and can be very painful if tried moving one alone. I considered making one but I really don't have the time. Plus I got 50 or 60 trees that need to be repotted!!! So, I bought this one from harbor frieght a few months ago:
http://www.harborfreight.com/extra-w...uck-66171.html

It's do for now!

[AscPete]

My reason for building the pot mover was because I planned on moving them alone. I did look at that hand truck and the smaller "Big Wheeled" hand truck without the extension. The hand trucks work well, but they need much more force to pivot them when loaded and to balance the load compared to the platform dollies and tilt bed dollies. Also the simple design (a modified Platform Cart) takes only an hour or two to assemble.

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Photo updates of the pot mover made for the 15 gallon SIPs (1/2 - 30 gallon barrels). The handles are still under test, but the wheel barrow style handles the most weight with the least effort, it can be used to move a 30 gallon barrel with 30 gallons of water easily over loose 3/4" gravel.

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I'm watching...I've been busy

Nice, simple design....and it works...

now...to re-pot them.....

[AscPete]

I've been a little busy also and haven't had time to setup and test "real" wheel barrow handles, which would make for an even simpler build.

[rusty hooks]

I like the balancing act...it takes the pressure off of our backs...a little "strap wrap" with a small boat winch could be worked into the stand for assistance in moving bigger pots into compliance....resistance is futile, "electrical", even better

[AscPete]

Don't plan on having any single pot heavier that ~150 lbs fully loaded, so have not planned on any heavy duty assist. They will also only travel ~ 100 feet maximum between storage and growing locations.

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I've had some success this season transitioning 1 gallon plants into 5 gallon single bucket SIPs.
The fabrication of these Single bucket SIPs was inspired by Alaska Grow buckets, http://www.alaskagrowbuckets.com/ in 2013, http://figs4funforum.websitetoolbox....55&postcount=9 except that there's only one row of 8 - 3/4 inch hole on the side of the bucket. The current and final modification was to simplify the build, it eliminates the reusable shopping bag and uses a piece of spun landscape fabric to screen the vent/drain holes to deter mosquitos and other insects. The potting mix used was Pine Bark Mulch - Peat - Calcined Clay (2-4-1 ratio). There was healthier root and vegetative growth throughout the season by all the fig cultivars in these single bucket SIPs.

Easy SIP Build Instructions:

The Colander SIP or 1 Bucket Easy SIP uses a 10" diameter Colander to form the Reservoir and Aeration Platform. The Spun Landscape Fabric forms a Pot Liner for root pruning, reducing root circling and the drain / vent screens. The planters soil volume is 3-1/2 to 4-1/2 gallons depending on the buckets used.

Assembly and Planting steps:
1. Approximately 4 inches up from bottom of bucket drill four to eight 3/4" holes equally spaced around the bucket. Carefully remove the handles of the 10" diameter colander with scissors, shears or saw. Check colander for fit inside bottom of bucket. Cut a 12 inch wide strip of spun landscape fabric (3 ft or 4 ft wide).

2. Roll the landscape fabric into a tube and place inside the bucket, expand the tube until its flush to the side of the bucket. Place colander upside down inside the bottom of bucket, the colander locks the fabric in place at the bottom.

3. Fill the bottom 6 inches of the bucket with potting mix (~ 2 inches higher that the bottom of the colander or aeration platform), place the 1 gallon plug (rootball) in the center then fill to the top with potting mix.

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Jim,
Yes, the build time and costs have been reduced, but only slightly.

The multiple drain holes add improved aeration and increased 'air root pruning'. You could still add one hole as the drain overflow hole slightly below the 'ring' of holes, creating aeration holes and one drain/overflow hole, which can be connected to other SIPs for the 'common fill'

Most SIPs have only one hole, but its been my experience that the added aeration increases root growth and overall vigor of the young fig trees.

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Jim,
The following PDF shows the Alaska Grow Bucket installation and assembly, http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...OW+BUCKETS.pdf

Their Picture Gallery, http://www.alaskagrowbuckets.com/grow-bucket-gallery/

The float reservoir bucket can be tied directly into a faucet for fully automated watering of the SIPs. The fill connection (tubes) also function as the drain tubes for flushing and or draining (and draining for winter storage).

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Thanks AcsPete I don't thing it gets easier then that ! 🤔
I am definitely doing that 🌱

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A simple root pruning SIP
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...53932631384779

[AscPete]

Thanks for sharing you SIP design and build.

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I made 4 half 55 gallon barrels in to sips just as an experiment and I really like them. Great growth and no issues. I plan on doing about 40 more that I can put down by the lake in an area that occasionally floods with water. Will set them up on cement blocks so as long as the water does not rise too high they will be unharmed by standing water.

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You have construction photo of pot on how you make?

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Here is my implementation of

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5-gallon 'upside down colander' SIP

Materials Used:

- 5 gallon food grade bucket (local hardware store; $7)
- 10" colander, flipped upside down (I found a bulk source in Toronto for the perfect colanders 10", no handles, lots of small holes, and inexpensive; $1.50)
- landscape fabric/cloth bag* (to line the inside of the bucket so that potting medium doesn't fall out the aeration holes drilled into the bucket; Dollar Store; $0.50)
- Hose/Tube/Pipe (to be used as watering tube, I used flexible hose purchased at Home Depot; $2)
- Garden wire (optional, I used it to secure the landscape fabric that I folder over the bucket to form a skirt, and to secure the tube prior to filling with potting mix; $0.10)

Update:
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AscPete landscape fabric should be "spun" to get root pruning benefits


Method:

1. Drill 8 larger holes (e.g. 1/2" drill bit) into the bucket 1/2" to 1" BELOW from where the top of the colander would sit when it is upside down inside the bucket. It is IMPORTANT to have an air gap between the top of the water reservoir and the top of you colander so that not all the soil area is sitting in water. The height of the lowest hole will be determine the size of the air gap between the reservoir and the top of the colander, as well as the water reservoir volume. You can always drill a lower hole, but it's not easy to plug one drilled too low. See my photos showing colander and water reservoir.

TIP: An easy measuring guide is to put the colander beside the bucket on the same surface, place a marker or a sharp flat object on top of the colander when flipped over, and draw/etch a line into the bucket at the height of the colander.

TIP: To drill clean holes into plastic, use a "step drill bit".


2. Line the inside of the bucket with landscape fabric formed into a tube (or use a fabric bag) to prevent potting mix from draining out aeration holes. My landscape fabric was at least twice the height of the 14" tall 5 gallon bucket, so I was able to fold over the fabric so that it was lining the inside and outside of the bucket to form a skirt.


3. Place the colander upside-down in the bottom of the bucket. If you're using a fabric bag, then the colander will be inside /over top of the bag and the potting mix will go directly on top of the colander and be in contact with it to allow roots to penetrate it to access the water reservoir.


4. [Optional] Cut hose/pipe/tubing to height an inch or two higher than the intended height of the potting mix, and then also cut an angled notch (e.g. ~45' degree ) at the bottom to fit snugly against colander and to prevent blockage. I placed mine inside the potting area, but it can also be placed on the other side of the fabric between it and the inside of the bucket.


5. Fill the bucket with a SIP appropriate PRE-MOISTENED potting mix, packing the mix densely into the area around the colander to form the wick but not compressing the remainder of the mix above the colander. See here for more details on SIP appropriate potting mixes: https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-h...ng-mix-recipes.

TIP: The mix should be wet and pre-moistened to start wicking properly.


6. Fill up the water reservoir with the watering tube (or top water) until water begins to drain out the aeration holes.

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FigsNorth I'm about ready to try a SIP like you picture above. Regarding the watering pipe, in your pictures I can't tell how you set that up. Did you cut a hole in the colander so the pipe could fit down into it?

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No I didn't cut a hole in the colander. Instead, I cut the bottom of the flexible hose I used as the fill tube on an angle so that it roughly followed the angle of the sides of the upside-down colander. Then, when I stuck it between the edges of the bucket and the colander it was a pretty snug fit. Seems to work.

If you take a look at the top down photo (overhead shot of the sip before it's filled) I posted above you can kinda see how it looks when the full tube is slotted between the sides of the colander and the inner wall of the bucket. It's a nice snug fit.

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Thanks

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Hi Everyone,

I really appreciate this post on SIP's. I am making some 5 gallon SIP's and was thinking to add an inch or two of sand (really quartz filtration media since I have some) above the colander to add some weight to the bucket. Then I will fill the rest with peat/coir/perlite media mix.


The sand will prevent the water from wicking up into the media, correct?

Is that a problem?

Stefan

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Yes, I think the sand might be a problem for wicking and it'll reduce your reservoir area. However I will defer to

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the specifics. In any event, I also don't think you'll need it for ballast. If you keep the SIP topped up with water, you'll likely have sufficient weight. If you do add sand, I would do it underneath the colander so that the colander is sitting upside down on top of the bed of sand and adjust your aeration holes accordingly. This way you can pack the colander sides with potting mix like recommended.

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Grower ,
Adding Sand will change the wicking ability / characteristic of the SIP. There is no way to predict how the SIP will perform with your proposed modifications, but you can perform tests of your design change. Good luck.

Most SIPs are designed on the same principles as Earthbox;
https://earthbox.com/how-earthbox-works/root-veg
https://youtu.be/p2a3PK1SBvg

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Thanks FigsNorth, yes I forgot the water would add weight.

I might try a few and see how it goes but not bet the whole ranch on it.

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Yes, good idea to go slow and test. I think you'll have success if you follow designs that have worked for others. One important factor for the SIPs is your potting mix so just make sure you use a mix that is recommended or being used by others for SIPs (e.g. mostly peat moss based) and don't use heavy garden soil, compost, etc.

Feel free to post here as you go and solicit feedback beforehand if you're unsure of any modifications you're considering. I'm sure others have thought through the same issues and can share their experience.

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I'm bumping this up. I did a search for "SIPs" and nothing would come up ("too many results"). Surely a few of us will want to try a SIP for up-potting young plants.

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claret, SIPS are #12 in the frequent topics list (https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/figs-h...erenced-topics).

If you're having issues with search in the forums, go to Google and try a query like:

> SIPS site:https://www.ourfigs.com/forum/

Wrap your query string (i.e., "SIPS") in quotes if you want an exact match returned.

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timtrice! Great strategy. I'll remember that.

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What does bill use to cover his soil? I really need something.

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Yes I've had issues with rain overloaded the SIPs. I think if i tipped them over and drained out the reservoir it would be fine, but I don't want to test that out when we are full steam ahead in a month or so. Covering them would be best I think.

I feel like black plastic in Oklahoma summer is a recipe for disaster, but maybe not. I imagine the soil on top would be damn near 150 degrees some days though.

[eboone]

I used white kitchen garbage bags, held on with string or bungees. The ridges around the top of the SIP buckets helps to keep them up. Looks junky, but it helped reduce water in the buckets from heavy rains.

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Perhaps this Hydroponics liner 20mil might work? I noticed Bill said he was using 5 mil, but he thought it should be thicker. I'm interested in this one because it's white and I'm in Central Florida. Black may be better elsewhere. https://farmplasticsupply.com/ds20?l...hoCutoQAvD_BwE