CDD Gris vs CDD Brun

[greenfig]

How similar / different are those 2 varieties?
I can hardly find any information about the Brun.

Thank you!

[Rafaelissimmo]

I have never heard it referred to as Brun. It is "Noir."" It is just the dark version of the Blanc. They are the same otherwise.

[greenfig]

Brugmansia has the Brun for sale, but no photos provided. I could ask Dany the owner I guess.

[greenfig]

Dany doesn't know what it is...

Rafaelissimo,
Gris is also a dark version of the Blanc.
I am curious, do you know that the Brun and Noir are the same or you just assuming so?

[paully22]

About 2 months ago, a member told me it is Gris. Last year I was given
cuttings of Brun from a collecter in Toronto. I have Gris. Hopefully they
are not the same as I do no not need duplicates.

[Gina]

If it's a duplicate,,,, do you have my address?

[Needaclone]

I believe that Herman2 has compared them all. I believe the results were that they tasted similar, but CdD Blanc performed much better in his in-ground tests. They were more cold hardy.
Jim

[greenfig]

Thank you, guys!

Jim, I am looking for an ID of the Brun. Do you remember what it was similar to?

[Needaclone]

Greenfig -- no, I don't know. I don't grow any of them, yet. I only just picked up some cuttings of CdDB...

[nypd5229]

Brun=Gris=Roja/Rossa. Seems France is Grice and Pons has as Rojas/Rossa. Bruno seems maybe a Canadian take on name. Only seen there. Skin has a brown/red look.

[greenfig]

Ah, that's what I thought too. Somebody renamed it according to a color. It is a good guess until somebody who grows both confirms it

[Rafaelissimmo]

Greenfig

I am basing my comment on the fact that nowhere in French sources have I seen a reference to "Brun" so yes, I am assuming that since Brun and Noir both mean dark that they are the same. As for NYPD's comment, I am not denying what he states but last year Pons sold me a cutting of CdD Gris, he may have another name for it, on his website he does not offer it, so I am not sure, I just assumed he had it and that is what I received, I killed it anyway so I cannot compare it to anything.

[greenfig]

Rafael,
Sorry for your loss, this happens to everybody.
As the Brun's seller says, he got it originally from Europe but does not know why it came with that name.

[HarveyC]

I hadn't heard before that Coll de Dama Roja is the same. Pons' book doesn't list synonyms for that variety. But for Gris/Brun, see http://figblog.binhoster.com/col-de-dame/

Col de Dame Brun ou Gris – épiderme gris brun, avec un peu de vert bleuté.

[greenfig]

Thanks, Harvey. That helps!

[Higuera]

COL DE DAME
Origin: probably Spain - Col de Signora
Area of culture: Roussillon, Catalonia Spanish and Ariège
Type: Uniform
Maturity: late (late September in the Southeast France)
Epidermis: thick, dark purple, pruinose (black), pale yellowish-white (white), gray-brown (Grise=gray, - Brun=brown-marrón)
There are 3 distinct varieties: Col de Dame Blanc (white), Col de Dame Noir (black ), and Col de Dame Grise (gray)
Shape: rather large, pyriform, elongated and thick neck with strong narrowing
Peduncle: very short
Pulp: dark red
Flavor: excellent, white being less sweet