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  • Is Hanc's EBT lost?

    Well...is it? I have never anyone post a photo or discuss Hanc's English Brown Turkey except in discussion of Hanc Mathies himself. It was reportedly hard/impossible to root, perhaps that has something to do with it.
    https://www.figbid.com/Listing/Browse?Seller=Kelby
    SE PA
    Zone 6

  • #2
    If someone has it, perhaps some air layers to start spreading it.
    Scott - Colorado Springs, CO - Zone 4/5 (Depending on the year) - Elevation 6266ft

    “Though the problems of the world are increasingly complex, the solutions remain embarrassingly simple.” – Bill Mollison

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    • #3
      NO, several forum members and collectors are growing it, including Robert Harper, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1015908551 Row #26

      Also IMO, Edible Landscaping's Brown Turkey is the same cultivar, from my experience, the relationship between Hanc and Edible Landscaping and comparison to all the posted photos and info.
      Pete R - Hudson Valley, NY - zone 5b

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      • #4
        Mine is small, especially after I airlayered off a hunk of it this year for a friend, but I'm sure that those of us who have it will keep propagating it and sharing it until it's easy to get. I was lucky enough to get mine from Robert Harper (thank you Bob!). Kelby, you will be next on my list, ok!
        Greg, Maine, zone 5. Wish List: Green Michurinska

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        • #5
          Well how about that, it's more than a legend! Thanks, Greg!
          https://www.figbid.com/Listing/Browse?Seller=Kelby
          SE PA
          Zone 6

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          • #6
            What is special about it besides the hardiness?
            USDA z 10a, SoCal. WL: Boysenberry Blush

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            • #7
              When Hanc Mathies got older he only kept 3 figs that he liked the most, this was one of them. Other 2 were Green Ischia and Atreano.
              https://www.figbid.com/Listing/Browse?Seller=Kelby
              SE PA
              Zone 6

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              • #8
                Is there a difference between the figs and hardiness of Hanc's EBT and LaRadek's EBT. Or are the same?
                Wishlist; Green Michurinska, St. Rita
                Tony
                Sarver, PA Zone 6A.

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                • AscPete
                  AscPete
                  Fig Phenom
                  AscPete commented
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                  Hanc's is a Southern Brown Turkey, similar to but slightly larger than Celeste. LaRadek's is a true English Brown Turkey cultivar.

                • Kelby
                  Kelby
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                  I'm working on acquiring many of the EBT types to grow side by side for comparison. Maybe in a year or two I'll be able to compare them better. Like Pete said, it has been labeled a Southern BT, but I don't know of any real comparison besides people looking at photos and making that determination. Could be wrong though.

              • #9
                I'm sure this may raise some disagreement, but, I doubt the claims regarding sub zero hardiness for Hanc's or any EBT. Yes some figs are clearly hardier than others and protective measures can readily extend the zones that figs can be grown. Most claims seem to quote some dubious reference or misinterpreted. I've read no first hand experience from forum members. Pete's comments on hardiness that he made in earlier post are perhaps the most accurate.
                For reference purposes here's a link on Hanc's EBT and some attempt to identify it.
                http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussi...rown-turkey-hm
                John Z5 Wish list:

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                • AscPete
                  AscPete
                  Fig Phenom
                  AscPete commented
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                  I'm not a stickler for correct terminology but when referring to figs (Ficus carica) we should use 'Sub-Freezing' not 'Sub-zero' since severe damage is done with sustained temperatures above 0 degrees F.

                • Taverna78
                  Taverna78
                  Vetern Member Fabio
                  Taverna78 commented
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                  Agreed.

                • Harborseal
                  Harborseal
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                  Harborseal commented
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                  Unless you use Celcius.

              • #10
                I have a small LaRadek's EBT that a member had gifted me. It had a couple figs this year but didn't ripen before a hard frost did it in. Since L EBT and H BT are different that makes me want to add another one to the wish list.
                I haven't seen it being sold on eBay by trusted sellers or being offered any place else for that matter.
                Wishlist; Green Michurinska, St. Rita
                Tony
                Sarver, PA Zone 6A.

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                • #11
                  Another possibility is that Hanc's isn't a Brown Turkey at all, but a Celeste, which would make sense as those two varieties are almost identical - and Celeste is hardier.

                  This is an excerpt from the article by A.J. Bullard in the Southern Fruit Fellowship newsletter (Issue #5 1989):

                  "It so happens that the two fig varieties most commonly grown east of the Mississippi are the two most confused...It seems Brown Turkey got the inside track with figs early on and became the Frigadere of refrigerators so to speak. Nurseries mislabeled Celeste as Brown Turkey - some by honest ignorance and some to sell Brown Turkey figs which customers called for. Some major nurseries didn't know the difference."
                  "Both varieties are adapted to the Southeast so why does it make any difference?"
                  "First as my fig Guru Paul Starnes says, don't ask a fig owner what variety he has because he doesn't know but calls it Brown Turkey or Celeste (Sugar) - usually having the varieties reversed."
                  ...."Celeste is the most common fig grown in the Southeast and is somewhat more cold hardy than Brown Turkey....Celeste trees stood that had been hurt very little in over 40 years enduring at least one zero and one 1 degree F ...without much kill-back if any....The owner said the Celeste had never been killed back in its 40+ years but the Brown Turkey, 'got killed back to the ground every few years'. Same exposure, soil type, climate, etc...."
                  "Brown Turkey will bear fruit the first season after being 'leveled' on sucker growth while Celeste won't. Brown Turkey also will produce a Breba crop if the terminals aren't killed back much in addition to a main crop. Celeste almost never (Dave Ulmer) has brebas to mature....The Turkey brebas are larger than the main crop figs and much larger than Celeste. Turkey brebas are often 'lop sided' but to my taste about like the main crop. Celeste figs are more symmetrical, smaller and sweeter than Turkey."
                  "One ID I find useful with developing furit is that the scales around the eye of half grown and over Turkey figs are pink or red while those of comparably sized Celeste figs are green. The eye of mature Turkey figs is somewhat open while Celeste is closed and is therefore a better keeper - resisting souring better. Celeste seems to have a longer stem than Turkey but the skin color isn't a whole lot different."
                  As to leaf shape both are classified as 'grape' leaf .....but a common basic difference exists between the most typical leaf type of Celeste compared with Brown Turkey. Sometimes to see this difference more clearly one must examine sucker growth or new growth resulting from heading back old limbs. Celeste leaves are slightly broader and tend to have more serrations. Turkey leaves are slightly more elongated and tend to have few serrations per lobe.".......
                  "I find Celeste the M.V.P. of figs and an excellent stock to graft less cold hardy varieties onto to make them hardier."


                  Another difference is that Celeste seems to have a more upright habit and Southern BTs are more spreading.

                  More than one person growing Hanc's EBT have described it as "like Celeste".

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                  • Chrisk
                    Chrisk
                    Spirit of Community
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                    Very cool article. I have two possible Celeste/ SBT varieties and this article makes sense to me in more than one ways. Thanks for sharing.

                • #12
                  Originally posted by COGardener View Post
                  If someone has it, perhaps some air layers to start spreading it.
                  ~i purchased vashion violete cuttingds on ebay because it said it was alias ebt,i purchased three cuttings,and did the parafilm method on them for rooting,it appears maybe two have taken ,they have leaves and i started them a couple months ago~
                  zone 6

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                  • #13
                    Originally posted by chuckell View Post

                    ~i purchased vashion violete cuttings on ebay because it said it was alias ebt,i purchased three cuttings,and did the parafilm method on them for rooting,it appears maybe two have taken ,they have leaves and i started them a couple months ago~
                    oh and you can bet i will be airlayering as soon as i can maybe this summer comming i hope~
                    zone 6

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                    • #14
                      Originally posted by greenfig View Post
                      What is special about it besides the hardiness?
                      ~the size impessed me from the picture on the cutting add where i got them from,and i don't have the picture but thats why i got the cuttings i heard they were cold hardy and the size wow they were big unless the picture wasn't really them ,~
                      zone 6

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                      • #15
                        http://www.ebay.com/itm/3x-Vashon-Vi...EAAOSwgQ9Vy0~U
                        zone 6

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                      • #16
                        yes brunswick ,that adds more to it for sure ,thanks for the post
                        zone 6

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                        • #17
                          still new just now getting roots
                          zone 6

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                          • #18
                            just now in rooting process
                            zone 6

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                            • #19
                              Since the seller isn't vetted yet, I sure hope they don't turn out to be BT or who knows what. I've seen that listing rerun on EBay for months and months and months.
                              Scott - Colorado Springs, CO - Zone 4/5 (Depending on the year) - Elevation 6266ft

                              “Though the problems of the world are increasingly complex, the solutions remain embarrassingly simple.” – Bill Mollison

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                              • #20
                                Scott, I would say the Ebay seller binbin9 is a legit fig seller. He's a member of the F4F forum. He has a number of fig video's on youtube that are quite informative on growing various figs varieties in the PNW. He also has a a blog called Seattle Garden & Fruit Adventures which has an impressive amount of information not only on figs but also reviews of exotic fruits etc.
                                Here's the link to his review of Vashon Violet on his blog spot. He also has reviews on various other fig found on the index to the right..
                                I suspect VV is another of those figs with varying identity,

                                http://seattlegardenfruit.blogspot.c...ashon%20Violet
                                John Z5 Wish list:

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                              • #21
                                Hope certainly hope so.
                                Scott - Colorado Springs, CO - Zone 4/5 (Depending on the year) - Elevation 6266ft

                                “Though the problems of the world are increasingly complex, the solutions remain embarrassingly simple.” – Bill Mollison

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