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  • ynz84
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    Originally posted by nycfig View Post
    Open case successfully concluded early this morning. This was a simple error by the OP and not the seller. There was no fraud and there are no scammers involved. OP is welcome to add more. Case closed.
    Thanks Danny.

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  • nycfig
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    For the sake of readers I want to add a few buying tips here. These did not occur in this case but something to be aware of:
    1. Don't ever agree to pay a seller by any means other than specifically stated in the Payment Options/Instructions of the listing. Even if you've already won the listing. It should be an automatic notification to figBid admin.
    2. Please pick up on bad guy cues. If a sellers' name is different than PayPal name, at least ask the seller why. A good seller will respect your inquiry and gladly explain.
    3. A seller explaining they're selling material they've just purchased should at least put up an antenna. It's not necessarily a red flag but coupled with other findings, it may be enough evidence to not bid or buy.
    4. If you're ever not sure about something, or it just looks fishy, please contact figBid admin. I'll always get to the bottom of it.
    Thanks to everyone who participated here.

    There are 6 squares left in the figBid Super Bowl Squares pool. If you've been holding off, now is the time to get in. Over $1000 in prizes!

    https://www.figbid.com/Listing/Detai...000-in-Prizes-

    Happy Figs!
    Last edited by nycfig; 01-22-2020, 12:30 PM. Reason: Edited for grammar.

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  • nycfig
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    Open case successfully concluded early this morning. This was a simple error by the OP and not the seller. There was no fraud and there are no scammers involved. OP is welcome to add more. Case closed.

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  • YATAMA
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    sorry Danny but if I see a listing and seller writes"cuttings from my recent trip to Afghanistan, etc." anyone who assumes the guy;s describing the cuttings he's including in the shipment are NEWSPAPER or HAIR clippings needs a shrink! and anyone who does NOT assume the 'cuttngs from xxx" are not illegal imports and receives same sets himself up for a visit from the FEDS, which some here say is not a nice day. You should not be forced into being a cop by stupid or nefarious sellers. I bet your "day job" is work enough! For the ignorant wannabee sellers maybe you need to post in all caps that any plant material imported in this century from other countries without a USG issued permit they can display to you before the listing gets published will be under potential penalty of civil action as it might be construed you aided an illegal activity should you publish such a sale offer and you must defend yourself..I hate saying the last but look what goes on every day in our fair land..

  • nycfig
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    Initial investigation reveals user may not be a scammer but very sloppy. I will deal with buyer privately from here to conclusion. Digging a little deeper and enough evidence presented to keep this thread active and updated. Please do not derail. Few things to consider so far:

    1. Please refrain from going public on social media or open forum. I understand the temptation is strong but figBid is always there to help and social media always compounds an issue. This is to protect you and not me or figBid. You are free to contact me at figBid with all caps, #*!?%@ curse words and everything. I need to have the first shot at it and I'm happy to hear it all. But when the time arises where posting may be a must (that's right, I said may be a must), please spell figBid correctly. Not being pompous. Only want future figBidders to find all posts, good, bad, and indifferent.

    2. Canadian buyers; you MUST have paperwork to ensure your shipment of plant material arrives timely and safely. There are no exceptions. The site is open to our Canadian brothers and sisters because there are figBid sellers that will properly prepare shipments for you. Additionally, there are other figBid items that are okay to ship. Always check with the seller before bidding or buying. I wish it were different.

    3. Good sellers automatically provide tracking to their customers and will insure their shipments. Good customers will always ask their seller for tracking info when it is not provided in a timely fashion. This goes for figBid or any other retail or auction website.

    4. Right now there are no profiles for figBid users. A near-future update will change this and all users will have a neat little profile. It's an exciting change so I won't add any more.

    5. Please don't assume any material has been imported illegally. Even when someone writes, "6 SURPRISE Cuttings from my recent trip to Tunisia and Libya" in the context of an active listing for fig material you can't assume they're actually referencing fig material. The seller could be giving away newspaper cuttings or pictures of fig cuttings. They are a surprise, aren't they? I'm fooling around but this is a clear RED FLAG. Not only should you not buy but every set of eyes on such a statement should be looking to slam nearest the CONTACT US link to let me know there may be an uneducated seller. I'd be happy to educate them.

    There are a few other red flags with this transaction but I want to have the buyers permission before revealing. Whatever the outcome it's important to me that readers understand how to protect themselves. I'll post further as it's available. Thank you to everyone helping out.

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  • Noah Mercy
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    Thanks for the clarification Richard

  • Richard
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    Noah Mercy -
    1. The requirements for legally importing cuttings out of Tunisia and into the U.S. are different than exporting from San Diego county to Canada.
    2. The inspection cost in San Diego county for sending fig cuttings to Canada is $107 per shipment.

  • YATAMA
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    seller is unaware OR consciously violating.Anyone who reads the posts here KNOWS the law as . Richard sees to that! Hes always writing about it.as do others.Personally may not like them all but I'm not some sort of well connected guy who can get away with anything like we see others do time to time.

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  • Noah Mercy
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    Caveat emptor - There's a reason it's a thing.

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  • Noah Mercy
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    More Good Advice!

  • Noah Mercy
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    You have the right instinct, to warn others... and I think you're right - I smell a rat. I agree, there's more to be done (Danny, paypal, etc) to give this guy every chance and benefit of the doubt. But either way, your post is a warning to others to be cautious and VET your SELLER!

  • Noah Mercy
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    Good advice!

  • Noah Mercy
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    I would say it is each person's responsibility to know and follow the laws of their respective jurisdictions. As long as the seller provides tracking and it's legal to export, the import part is on the buyer. That's the way it works legally - and the way it should. Why should I, as an American (US citizen) be bound by laws passed in Neveristan? I have no say in those laws and never even implicitly agreed to abide by them. Even if they claim sovereignty over me, at what point did I secede that authority? When I drop the package in the mail? I think not. I don't see how such a theory can be reconciled with the notion of a social compact. I have no way of knowing what laws they may have passed or when. I'll worry about their laws when I am in their jurisdiction and not before - they have no power over me nor should they. Besides the moral issues, it isn't very practical to think anyone could keep up with all of the laws in every jurisdiction, just the State, Federal and Local laws in the USA alone would be impossible.
    Last edited by Noah Mercy; 01-21-2020, 09:16 AM.

  • Noah Mercy
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    How are ""surprise" cuttings collected on a recent trip to Tunisia and Libya" going to get all of those documents Richard is talking about? And if the certificate is $107, how much was this auction for? Is that $107 PER CUTTING Richard or per Package/shipment or what? The whole thing sounds very sketchy at this point, IMO...

  • ginamcd
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    Regardless of what happens with this case, a key take away is if you are outside the US and considering purchasing from sellers inside the US and they haven't specified "no international shipping," always ask if they have the paperwork needed to legally ship to you before you buy.

    Given that this seller has posted here about bringing back cuttings from other countries then completed a sales transaction with someone in Canada, tells me they are completely unaware of the import laws.

    Vinny63 in the trading section of the forum there is a sticky thread specifically for Canadian members. I would start your search for cuttings and plant there. Good luck!

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  • YATAMA
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    Am sure Danny will perform his usual due diligence. If it istrue what you said and I read here you got following problems:
    No certificates(if true are legally needed to import cuttings from US to Canada) the sale was illegal in eyes of your Gov and may have been seized by Canada like others in USA had happen here by OUR government if they tried to import similarly .

    The "package"you said contained plant material imported from middle eastern countries into USA by your seller who was passing some on to you. If the seller imported these in this century(21) such was a violation of current US law which bans such actions for all fig material by anyone. so could theoretically have been seized by USG, or possibly by Canada in collaboration

    That you did not get tracking number suggests you were dealing with a non user friendly seller.When I even bought cuttings for five bucks the nice sellers always sent me a tracking number

    when I have sent packages of engineering equipment by USmail to other countries the USPS has required me to fillout a customs declaration form they attach to package that must specify the contents I am sending. If he wroteFIG TREE CUTTINGS, and the forum member Richard is correct above, it is possible some sharp eyed Canadian officer read that and trashed your package.

    Most of us here have also been disappointed with results of at least one attempt to acquire cuttings and are sympathetic with you. At least here my credit card company refunds money taken by non performing sellers.

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  • nycfig
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    Was working on starting cuttings last night when this was posted. Looking into the issue right now and I'll post update here. Thank you for tagging me.

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  • Richard
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    " It has been a few weeks now"

    "it has been a month already"

    ok.

  • TorontoJoe
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    We can't afford the retainer

  • BackwoodsSouthernLawyer
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    How about a mob of angry lawyers with pitchforks? I can make a call... ;-)

  • ginamcd
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    Looks like their only two auctions ended back on 11/26, so about eight weeks ago. It could have taken another couple of weeks to sort out payment and shipping.

    Both were cutting packs of extra cuttings they say they purchased on Figbid plus "surprise" cuttings they collected on a recent trip to Tunisia and Libya...

    If the OP was the winner of one pack, I wonder if the winner of the other pack ever got theirs.

  • TorontoJoe
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    You don't need to remove a thing.... and I'm not censoring you... you can write whatever you like here.... I've been here a while and am just trying to help.

    IMO you should call out wrong doing.... I just don;t want to see you unwillingly harm yourself... and, perhaps take a breath and figure out what happened with your figbid deal with Danny's help

  • TorontoJoe
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    Richard - I have no problem with calling out the scum.... . When it's warranted.... but I believe getting the facts first.... otherwise.... You now...

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  • Vinny63
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    Your right, This is not the place to deal with my issue,> I will remove the post and let Danny deal with this... Thanks again to all that have commented... Vince

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  • Vinny63
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    I will wait a few more weeks before I assume that things went bad but it has been a month already.

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