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  • Thorntorn
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    Lewi,

    Is White Ischia a different variety than Green Ischia? My TC Green Ischia turned out to bear creamy/amber colored fruit, that is super sweet and early ripening, not green colored or red inside when ripe. Could my tree be White Ischia?

    Thorntorn

  • Thorntorn
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    Thank you, Lewi, your information puts a different light on my young TC Black Mission imposter, which may in fact be Black Mission after all. However, your revelation presents more questions, like, if my young TC is a BM, with its amber interior, then is my old, much beloved BM really a BM, since it's interior is winey red colored?

    Will the wonders of positive fig variety identification never cease to confuse me?

    So far I have: 1.) White Marseilles with spidery lobed leaves that is actually Tena, 2.) a Green Ischia that is as yet unidentified, but definitely NOT GI, and 3.) The Black Mission question.

    I don't have that many trees, and to have so many mislabeled ones, is a testimony to the skullduggery of the nursery industry.

    Thorntorn

  • lewi
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    TC may not be FMV free at all. But Agristarts sells to big nurseries like Wellsprings....and they sell cheap LSU Purple, Hardy Chicago, and ( white) Ischia...these are figs I have experience with, and pruned to one trunk, usually will produce soon enough.

  • lewi
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    Nero 600? Even people in Hawaii are reputed to like that one....

  • lewi
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    FYI the amber interior sugar fig is sold by some Californian growers as "mission". In turn these fake missions are sold in supermarkets across the USA, sometimes even mixed in with the red interior much more complex tasting real mission fig.
    Basically, we have a real issue with an imposter "mission" and Agristarts did not start the ball rolling...

  • cybercop
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    Does it matter if they will split? At high humidity levels, figs will spoil, whether split or not. In high humidity, there are no figs with "closed eyes". All pictures of such fruits are taken in dry weather.

  • Toejamken
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    Zomvee,
    They look delicious!

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  • ZomVee
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    Thorntorn I wouldn’t doubt that these were caprified, admittedly I didn’t check, I just enjoyed 😁😁😁

    Serranos and figs, I’m telling you, there’s something there!

  • Thorntorn
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    Tom, they look caprified. Are they? Eating figs with what look like hot peppers? My kind of snack!

    Thorntorn
    Last edited by Thorntorn; 02-16-2020, 06:41 PM.

  • Thorntorn
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    Problem #1. with Tissue Cultured fig trees is misidentified figs from the TC nursery, AgriStarts. One very serious case has already been documented.

    Problem #2. Retailers, who could care less, especially onliners, send mislabeled TC figs. You find out when the tree fruits, sometimes a couple years later. By then, the irresponsible retail nursery is either out of businesses, or unwilling to provide reparations.

    Problem #3. TC trees often stall in growth, and produce a myriad of basal shoots.

    Problem #4. New fig enthusiasts are preyed upon by cut rate nurseries who sell TC figs at low, appealing prices.

    Thorntorn

  • Thorntorn
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    Excess moisture, and all the Bordeaux figs will split for me, no difference. I still like them a lot.

    Thorntorn

  • ZomVee
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    They’re never dripping with nectar. Pleasant moisture, it gets the job done to have a enjoyable bite.

  • Toejamken
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    Zomvee,
    How moist is the pulp?
    Ken

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  • ZomVee
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    The missions in my neighborhood usually have a cavity in them, with a lighter rosey colored pulp.

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  • Dtownfigs
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    I personally wouldn’t recommend TC. You’ll wait and extra couple seasons for fruit and the plants grow weird.

  • Toejamken
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    Thornton,
    I have never considered TC plants before. It would be nice if healthy specimens of Mission figs could be duplicated. A rich, mellow red wine flavor is intriguing.
    Ken

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  • Toejamken
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    Thornton,
    Since the Bordeaux types are basically the same which do you consider to be the most productive and/or rain resistant?

    Ken

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  • Thorntorn
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    The way I look at it Ken, is that the flavors of all the above Bordeaux types I grow are indistinguishable to me, as are the whole fruits' outside and cut open appearance. Their fruits' shapes and sizes are also the same to my eyes. The distinction lies in the leaf patterns and tree size. The Beer's Black is the largest in height. The others, VdB, PN, and LMF are noticeably smaller growing trees. Only Little Miss Figgy's leaves are consistently 5 lobed with two kankles. The others grow both 5 lobed leaves and single, spade leaves, all on the same tree, and even on the same stem.

    Now concerning Black Mission...I will keep a lookout for a cutting grown BM, that I believe may be a different variety, or form, than my single tree. However, the Black Missions, I have read, are almost all virused...perhaps being genetically predisposed to virus infections. That's why I got the TC Black Missions a couple years ago, which as they matured proved not to be BM at all. Their fruit on the outside looks Black Mission, but on the inside is amber colored, and in taste is sweet, but bland, much like a light skinned fig.

    Thorntorn

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  • jrdewhirst
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    DFIC 086 is Hative d'Argenteuil, which is sometimes misspelled (or spell-checked) to Native . . . . "Hative" in French means hasty, implying that it is an early ripener. English-speakers (or spellchecks) ignorant about French sometimes mistakenly change the word to Native.

  • Toejamken
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    Ed, Thanks. It's interesting to see the distinctions and similarities. I suppose flavor profiles may also mix? Almostedenplants shows their Mission fig offering as synonymous with Beers Black.

    Joe, That table does help. Thanks. In group 5 I saw a Native De DFIC 086. Perhaps that could be Native Black?

    Looks like I'm gonna have to get my tongue calibrated by tasting some of these. Hooty Hoo, y'all!

    Ken

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  • jrdewhirst
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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/core/lw..._Fig1_HTML.jpg

    This may help. See VdB and synonyms located within Group 2, Mission tucked into Group 4.

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  • eboone
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    The term "Bordeaux" type seems another American fig - growers construct, like the "Mt Etna" type. I believe that some of them are just Violette de Bordeaux renamed somewhere along the line. Rouge de Bordeaux and Ronde de Bordeaux are not really the same flavor, should not be included in the same family despite the name.

    The following are generally included in the "Bordeaux" types: Violette de Bordeaux, Beers Black, Little Miss Figgy, Petite Negra, Negronne, Nero 600m, Valle Negra, Petite Aubique.
    I think there are others, that is what I could remember off the top of my head.
    I have or have had all of those types I listed except Petite Negra and Negronne, they all tasted very similar to me.

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  • Toejamken
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    Well, I have read where there are some who group figs that are similar to VdB and Negronne, Nero 600m, Valle Negra, etc, but your point is well taken. I'm like the guy who said he couldn't say for sure without knowin. I'm gonna have to taste some so I knows. Hahaha.

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  • cybercop
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    I can't figure out what you mean by "Bordeaux type". Bordeaux is a port. The VdB variety is different from RdB and the two varieties have nothing to do with the Rouge de Bordeaux variety.
    I understand the term "Mission type" better. I guess these are a varieties like the Noire de Bellone, that really resemble the Mission variety.
    Last edited by cybercop; 02-16-2020, 03:34 AM.

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  • Toejamken
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    Cool. Thanks for the thoughtful insight Thornton. I've never considered getting an actual Black Mission for comparison until now. I'll definitely be rereading this to take it all in.

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